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    Packmule
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      Hi all,

      can anyone tell me what the various circled letters stand for on the plans as there is no mention on the drawings as to what they mean. The engine I'm attempting is No 23 Tiny.

      Thanks Bob

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        Jeff Dayman
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          C – close fit

          S – smooth finish

          P – press fit (or Pray it fits) – sometimes PF also used

          SF – slip fit

          LF – loose fit

          B – braze or silver solder

          F – make flat

          SWT – seal watertight

          SGT – seal gas tight

          W – weld

          H- harden

          H&G – harden and grind

          These conventions were and are used on some North American tooling drawings as guides for skilled toolmakers. Many old timers I worked with would see specified tolerances on tool drawings as an insult to their skills in making and fitting a machine to work as expected, and preferred to see the notations above used rather than tolerances.

          http://www.john-tom.com has free PDF files of plans for several of Elmer Verburg's engines.

          When I used to work for a large USA based controls company in their tool design office we came up with several unofficial variations on the above symbols over the years, as below:

          RF – rust fit -as in when a steel shaft is turned too small, leave it outdoors for a week, then the rust coating will allow it to fit right

          PH – not just a press fit, Pound Hell out of it.

          LAMW – loctite, after machining it wrong

          GIRD – get it right dummy (it's important) as applied to an important dimension

          WWD – weld without distortion (ie perform distortion control measures) but this was interpreted as "weld when drunk" a few times.

          Have fun with the Tiny. Elmer's engines are great.

          JD

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          Packmule
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            Hi Jeff,

            Thanks for the reply, settled my curiosity. GIRD & LAMW seem to be order of the day. lol

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