Where do Buffer Nuts Go?

Where do Buffer Nuts Go?

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  • #22907
    Sub Mandrel
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      Inside or outside? Challenge the accepted wisdom!

      #133059
      Sub Mandrel
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        It pays to check. Read any ME series about making a model loco and when you get to the buffers you will almost certainly get to the bit where it says that "in prototypical practice the nuts on the stock fixings are always on the outside of the buffer beams".

        I came across this statement again today, then later I noted I made my shunter with the nut on the inside. Reviewing pictures of Hudswell Clarke diesel shunters, every example I can find (where you can tell) the nuts are on the inside.

        In the picture above the loco at left is a Hudswell Clarke, I don't know what loco it is up against, but the latter has the buffer nuts inside – and less than a turn of thread visible.

        I propose a nationwide survey of prototype locos – what percentage have the nuts on the inside, and is it consistent by maker?

        Neil

        #133067
        Sub Mandrel
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          @submandrel

          Other interesting features in this picture:

          The buffer beam is two (slightly mismatched) plates.

          The buffer head has a pad riveted to it. This is probably either leather or rubber as the engine is one modified to work in a zero-spark environment (oil refinery).

          Both nice little details guaranteed to lose marks in a competition

          Talking to myself…

          Neil

          #133786
          David Haynes
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            @davidhaynes53962

            This is the buffer detail on L&HR Barclay 2333 "David". Nuts on the outside and lock nuts for good measure!

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            But this is the detail on the LHR Hunslet Austerity 'Cumbria', with bolt heads on the outside…

             

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            Some more for Neil's survey,

            only another 493 to go… 

             

            Dave

             

            Edited By David Haynes on 27/10/2013 00:05:27

            Edited By David Haynes on 27/10/2013 00:12:27

            #133789
            DMB
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              @dmb

              Some years back,wandering around loco shed @ Bluebell Rly, Sheffield Park. I was looking for very obvious small details like holes in driving axles, presumably to save weight. Locos originating from different companies/diff. types like 0-4-0/0-6-0/4-6-0 had none or diff. dia through holes in axles. But every axle driving or otherwise that had no hole had what looked like a freshly turned centre for mounting between centres on a wheel lathe. Bet that was done in Bluebells works as that feature was common to and identical on all makes of loco.However, I bet they were all originally slightly different.
              John

              #133790
              DMB
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                @dmb

                All the various railway works would have machined and fitted just about every part differently but to imitate on your model is likely to become harder in future if preservation groups/ museums make their own small changes to suit their methods.
                John.

                Edited By DMB on 27/10/2013 00:40:56

                #133793
                Nicholas Farr
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                  Hi Neil, something that I've never really took any notice of, but heres a couple.

                  This is GER E4.

                  Front buffer beam

                  This is the New Tornado.

                  Tornado Buffer Nuts.jpg

                  Both have the nuts outside.

                  Regards Nick.

                  #133812
                  Sub Mandrel
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                    @submandrel

                    Thanks folks. I suspect the main determinant is the accessibility at the back of the buffer beam.

                    I was once watching a GWR loco, probably a Manor, on the West Somerset Railway against the sky and though I was seeing things until I realised it had hollow driving axles! Until then I always thought they were solid, I have never seen them as tubes on a model.

                    Neil

                    #133850
                    DMB
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                      @dmb

                      Seems like a good idea to me – poke bolts in from back then you can easily see to screw nuts on @ the front. If a nut works loose (unlikely, but suppose could happen) then much more easily noticed @ front rather than hidden under running board + behind buffer beam.

                      #133889
                      nigel jones 5
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                        @nigeljones5

                        Im guessing it was all down to who held the spanner on the day! (unless design dictated orientation).

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