Yes, lots of manuals are ‘for sale’ on epay but are simply rip-offs as most are copies of what is already available from many yahoo fora and others…. for free.

The new owner would have bought "Myford" with all its interlectual property, trade marks etc. available at the time of purchase.

Copyright on anonymous works is 70 years in the UK, so I would guess the original Myford manual came out of copyright in 2016.

There are not just 'dodgy ebay sellers' offering copies of manuals far more recent than this.

It seem the general approach in the UK is 'we don't give a s*** about copyright because no-one can afford to sue' from the sellers and most buyers seem to find people protecting their intellectual property rather unseemly

Neil

I think it would pay new Myford to make all available manuals downloadable from their website.

A previous thread covered copyright, well maybe not "covered" but tried to address a specific query
**LINK**

"Ownership: The individual who authored the work will exclusively own the work under the 1988 Copyright Act. Only the owner, or his exclusive licensee can bring proceedings in the courts.
Duration: 70 years from the end of the calendar year in which the author of the work dies.
Restricted acts: It is an offence to copy the work without the consent of the owner.
Acts that are allowed -“Fair dealing”: A statutory definition for fair dealing does not exist. Generally, anyone wishing to copy an owner’s works for research or private study must do so themselves. However, other people can make a single copy on their behalf. Acceptable boundary for study: one article from an individual issue of a journal (even if the article is the entire journal issue)."

The likelihood that the successors to Messrs Myfords Ltd of Beeston would pursue a court case for holding a copy of an old, out-of-date manual is remote especially as it would seem to fit in the "Fair dealing" category of private study.

It is the PDF of the Manual that came with my Myford S7. So I'm happy that I now have both.

The linked manual is the original one which is apparently over 70 years old, as it is anonymous, ity is out of copyright.

'private study' doesn't cover passing copies to other people. It is generally interpreted a short extracts of a longer work or things like a single magazine article from an issue.

The "fair dealing" proviso is a loophole big enough to drive a Mack truck through. There is no formal legal definition of "fair dealing". This is being exploited by all sorts of online publishers to pick up the work of others and publish it. Most notorious perhaps is the Daily Mail website that picks up stories from other news sources, including its main competitors, and publishes them holus-bolus within hours or even minutes of the original appearing. Because legal action has to be on a specific per-story basis, they rely on the fact that it's not worth the original copyright owner's expenses to fight a court battle over one small story, or publication.

Another example, CD copies of MEW from issue one through to about 160 regularly appear on eBay for sale, and have done for years. Not worth the expense of thousands of pounds for MTM to hire lawyers and barristers and track the sellers down and take them to court. Lost revenue as a result of the pirate copies would be about one thousandth of the legal bill, or less.

So chances of Myford even caring about copies of their manuals available for download on the net = 0.

Thanks for posting the link to the S7 manual. I'm sure it will help many members use their old Myford lathe more, resulting in the sale of more spare parts for Myford Ltd.

Edited By Hopper on 05/11/2018 23:44:43