Winson L&Y Pug

[Kevan ShawParticipant @kevanshaw32462]

Hi, I hav just bought a Winson pug that is in need of significant rebuilding. It would be very useful to get hold of any drawings or construction instructions for this kit. Does anyone have a set they could scan for me?

Any other advice or suggestions would be well received 😃

 

thanks Kevan

[Kevan ShawParticipant @kevanshaw32462]

Tghis is where I have got to with this project. Unfortunately it is still not running Valve gear problem I am still trying to track down!

 

[Kevan ShawParticipant @kevanshaw32462]

I fixed it😃 the problem seemed to be the valve was just wrong far too long to open the ports with the available travel. I made a new pair and now it runs! I have a minor problem with the safety valves that don’t want to reseat after blowing off. I bought a bunch of different springs to try.

[WearyParticipant @weary]

Congratulations on persevering and getting your ‘Pug’ running.  Despite being a commercial model it is exceptionally rare to see one running (or even at all); and you have found-out why!  And furthermore remedied the issue.

It is a shame that the Winson model is faulty and that Silvercrest, for example, doesn’t supply a similarly small and characterful loco.  Whilst the Pacifics etc., are impressive, I’m sure that there would be demand for such a light-weight loco.

Anyway.  You have done a very good job, your loco looks great, and now runs well too.

Regards,

Phil

[Kevan ShawParticipant @kevanshaw32462]

Phil

 

Thanks for the congratulations! I am now working on a Clarkson’s D49 starting with a part built. Just for amusement I am documenting this on YouTube🤣 I have calling the series How Not to Build a Locomotive.

I hope you enjoy it!

[noel shelleyParticipant @noelshelley55608]

I have just bought a Winson 9F and have a small box of new parts that all the part numbers start PU – since the 9F parts start 9F I think these may be for a PUG any body know ? They will be for sale and I will be at the midland show. I need a set of build notes for the 9F , I’m led to believe that many of the models landed up in glass cases ?  Noel.

[Nigel Graham 2Participant @nigelgraham2]

Noel –

Have you established if these are not common parts at all? I don’t know the order in which each design was published, and a 9F and the PUG are totally different beasts generally, but Winsons may have made some detail parts common without re-labelling.

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Such a pity Winsons did not grasp the importance of correcting the errors in each design before publishing. Even the advertisements showed clangers like very visible slot-headed screws holding the motion together.

A friend who is a very experienced engineer found his 9F needed a lot of extra work, and he thought there are probably a lot of static, unfinished, even scrapped examples, and very disappointed would-be builders.

One wonders about the legal term “Goods fit for purpose”, given the advertising claims.

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He and I were also involved in diagnosing why a Winsons’ kit steam-wagon would not stop! That’s a change from would not go.

This attractive model resembles a Foden ‘C’ overtype in outline, at about 3″ scale or a bit less. We fired our specimen up on wood, put it in forward gear and opened the regulator. The engine ran. Then closed the regulator. The engine ran…

Fire dropped, we investigated….

The regulator was a slide-valve, identical to the engine slide-valves. Nothing wrong with that, except it had no bridle or cross-nut.

It was operated by a screw and handwheel, with the rather fine-pitch screw tapped directly in the valve, so giving no vertical float. Worse, on this example the male thread was so poor we reckoned it was a “Friday afternoon job” with a blunt die in a hand-holder. So as it rotated it lifted the valve from the port face, and by backlash etc, the valve would not re-seat.

We advised the owner how to modify the valve, but I do not remember any later developments. He was not a member of our group, but a friend of one, and I don’t recall meeting him again.

I do hope someone put the wagon right. I have seen another Winsons-pattern steam-wagon running well, but I do not know if it was an original Winsons product or by a subsequent company-owner (Modelworks?), but corrected in the factory or by its builder.

It almost seems the Winsons drawing-office and inspection-department did not really understand their products, since the errors were too odd and too small to be production cheese-paring.

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The incident recalled for a me a very unhappy experience with a newcomer to model-engineering who had built a locomotive boiler to a professional standard – a retired coppersmith, to him the boiler was the easiest part of his first locomotive. Only, the inner firebox had collapsed in hydraulic test at working pressure, ruining the boiler. The drawings he had followed faithfully, showed hardly any stays; none in the water-legs. We do not know where that boiler drawing was from: it was anonymous and strangely, the poor chap would not reveal its source.

At least with Winsons we knew the seller; and that steam-wagon was repairable.

[noel shelleyParticipant @noelshelley55608]

Hi Nigel, thank you for your very interesting reply, the issue of “fit for purpose” is one that I’m surprised was not used to try and resolve the issues, the easy way out was to go bust ! The commonality of parts is not the issue as 2 of the parts are the steam manifold and blast nozzle  which are different to the 9F and fitted to my engine. I have 1 side frame, so it begs the question as to whether the engine got built at all. but I have no use for them but need bits for the 9F so swap or sell. Noel.

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