Message from ARC to our customers in the E.U.

[Frances IoMParticipant @francesiom58905]

Bill that opens a can of worms – average wage is somewhere around 25k (say $28k) so a per capita of $42k indicates a significant number of plutocrats in UK – the Chinese per capita doesn’t show a relatively high social wage in terms of housing + health support – Ketan will have more feeling for the real wages of those employed at his suppliers etc

[Pete.Participant @pete-2]

Posted by Tony Pratt 1 on 11/12/2020 18:41:26:

Spot on, but that's the way we want it .The underpaid east will continue to supply the affluent west.

Tony

Is it really the way we want it? Judging by the desirability of European, American and Japanese machine tools and engineering equipment, I'd say that's anything but true, however, this forum would be deprived of a good amount of content asking how to make their cheap Chinese tat usable, problem is, it's not that cheap anymore.

There's also the environmental aspect, we should be looking at reducing the amount of things being needlessly moved around the world, and also goods manufactured here can be properly monitored to make sure environmental safeguards are met, the news over the past few days about possible heavy metal poisoning in India shows the attitude to disposal of industrial waste in china/India.

Never mind though, out of sight, out of mind, as long as you recycle your milk carton, all will be well 👍

[pgk pgkParticipant @pgkpgk17461]

Posted by Frances IoM on 11/12/2020 20:49:02:
Bill that opens a can of worms – average wage is somewhere around 25k (say $28k) so a per capita of $42k indicates a significant number of plutocrats in UK – the Chinese per capita doesn't show a relatively high social wage in terms of housing + health support – Ketan will have more feeling for the real wages of those employed at his suppliers etc

<<The GDP calculation accounts for spending on both exports and imports. Thus, a country's GDP is the total of consumer spending (C) plus business investment (I) and government spending (G), plus net exports, which is total exports minus total imports >>

I believe GDP isn't a realistic indicator of national worth. It's merely an indicator of economic activity which includes monies borrowed. Any measure that includes consumer spending isn't a measure of wealth if you can manipulate it by buying and selling cups of coffee to each other and by owing money.

Depending on what chart you use the UK is no longer the fifth greatest economy – we're now 6th behind India…

Per Capita GDP is also relatively meaningless if you go spend £127Billion on a railway line and £22Billion on track and trace – pusges those numbers up per head nicely…

pgk

[Ady1Participant @ady1]

We're going to make our own decisions from now on

Within the EU Westminster was more like a local council, taking orders and following rules

SIGNIFICANTLY

We never joined the Euro, didn't even get that close either

so our political elite were never truly serious about Europe, they always hung on to their get out of jail card

If you want in, you REALLY want in, you join the Euro

They wanted EU trade, and put up with EU-doo-doo and EU-daa-daa, but they hung on to the pound and never ever really came close to giving sterling up and truly joining the EU

Edited By Ady1 on 11/12/2020 23:43:25

[Ketan SwaliParticipant @ketanswali79440]

**SHIPPING UPDATE** 21 December 2020

As DPD and DHL road courier service into Europe has been suspended, we are temporarily shipping all EU orders by the air courier services offered by DHL and Fedex, for non-machine orders received by close of business on 23rd December 2020 (Please see opening post).

Ketan at ARC.

Edited By Ketan Swali on 21/12/2020 12:04:15

Edited By Ketan Swali on 21/12/2020 12:04:48

[Michael GilliganParticipant @michaelgilligan61133]

Posted by Ketan Swali on 21/12/2020 11:45:43:

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[…] we are temporarily shipping all EU orders by the air courier services offered by DHL and Fedex […]

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This may be irrelevant [and if it is, then I apologise], but : In the local Post Office, this morning, I was interested to see a lady trying to send a small parcel by Air Mail to Germany … The Post Master declined, on the basis that the service is not currently available.

MichaelG.

[VicParticipant @vic]

Posted by ChrisB on 11/12/2020 18:28:16:

Posted by Sam Longley 1 on 11/12/2020 17:40:33:

It would be interesting to know what % of the goods that ARC sell into the EU is actually made in the Uk. Very little one might wonder But then I may be very wrong. If i am then that is bad for the UK because it is lost manufacturing.

Probably none, but then how many products are actually manufactured in the UK, built with UK tools and machines and by British people? I really doubt there's any piece of electronics, tooling or clothing in the planet which is not made entirely or partly in China.

I went on a tour of Axminster Tools and they make a few nice products in Axminster on their Japanese CNC machines! No idea where the Stainless Steel comes from though?!

[Ketan SwaliParticipant @ketanswali79440]

Today, as the options for movement from UK into EU and other countries around the world continue to get restricted, it feels a lot line a scene from the Holly Grail :

**LINK**

Ketan at ARC.

[Ketan SwaliParticipant @ketanswali79440]

Posted by Michael Gilligan on 21/12/2020 14:40:14:

Posted by Ketan Swali on 21/12/2020 11:45:43:

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[…] we are temporarily shipping all EU orders by the air courier services offered by DHL and Fedex […]

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This may be irrelevant [and if it is, then I apologise], but : In the local Post Office, this morning, I was interested to see a lady trying to send a small parcel by Air Mail to Germany … The Post Master declined, on the basis that the service is not currently available.

MichaelG.

Hi Michael,

It is relevant.. The Post Master has a booking system which will probably be stopping him from booking anything to EU destinations – be it trough Royal Mail or Parcelforce for heavier items.

Ketan at ARC

[Neil WyattModerator @neilwyatt]

Posted by pgk pgk on 11/12/2020 21:44:01:

Per Capita GDP is also relatively meaningless if you go spend £127Billion on a railway line

I would probably be wise to ignore this thread… but I can't help pointing out that capital projects like HS2 don't get counted on the national 'profit and loss' account as they are putting an 'asset' onto the balance sheet.

This is why governments (of any colour) like to borrow and invest in huge construction schemes when they need to create lots of jobs and encopurage economic activity as it doesn't count against borrowing targets.

Neil

[BazyleParticipant @bazyle]

Interesting point Neil. It is also why the water companies like to build more reservoirs (more capital assets on the books, more value in the company, more bonus) rather thatn use money to mentd leaking pipes. (more water passed, more 'production', buisness 'expanded', more bonus).

[Ady1Participant @ady1]

Its just like 1940

but no navy or empire this time round

[Ady1Participant @ady1]

erm the last reservoir built in this country was a socialist abomination finished in 1981

[Roger BestParticipant @rogerbest89007]

so many bitten tongues I can almost feel the pain in every post.

The main issue for most people seems to be our arrangements with China rather than the EU. I think we are going to have to see how that settles down over the year or two it takes to deal with Covid.

Exporters are up the proverbial creek until we have stable export arrangements and that needs both politics and pandemic to settle down.

So maybe this is the time to invest in restoration equipment, a good sharpener maybe?

[SillyOldDufferModerator @sillyoldduffer]

Posted by Ady1 on 22/12/2020 07:29:21:

erm the last reservoir built in this country was a socialist abomination finished in 1981

Erm,

If Kielder Water is the socialist abomination in mind, the guilty man was Sir Edward Heath. I admit he was a bit wet!

Colliford Lake (1983) and Roadford Lake(1989) were both completed by Mrs Thatcher. I don't recall her being particularly left-wing either!

Dave

[Ady1Participant @ady1]

Duck pond Nature reserves built after privatisation don't count

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