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  • #826607
    Sonic Escape
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      @sonicescape38234

      A few weeks ago I started to use a clutch pencil with 2mm leads. I like it a lot but the soft leads (my favorite) require frequent re-sharpening. I think this is a good excuse to think about a sharpening device.

      There are of course very simple manual sharpeners. But I want to build something different, with an electric motor and some gears. I don’t want to have to rotate the pencil like on many existing designs. I didn’t find a nice solution yet. So far the best candidate is this one:

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      The blue wheel is similar to a knurling wheel. It will sharpen the lead. But it also has to rotate around the red axis. Here is where my mind explodes. I can imagine how to do it but none of the variants are simple or elegant.

      Any suggestions are welcomed. Even if it means a completely new design.

      #826609
      Clive Foster
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        @clivefoster55965

        Is there not an adequate sharpener on the inner end of the push button? Pull the button off to get at it.

        The one I’ve had for more years than I care to admit is so equipped.

        Clive

        #826611
        renardiere7
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          @renardiere7

          As Clive says, many clutch pencils have a sharpener on the button at the top. If you are feeling that lazy you could take it off, mount it in a collet in the lathe and have at it!

          #826613
          Diogenes
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            @diogenes

            Use an angled ‘blade’ disc driven by a pinion in a planetary system?

            #826615
            Sonic Escape
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              @sonicescape38234

              Yes, the pencil has a sharpener. But it’s not fun to use. I imagine a complicated sharpener with lots of gears that I can show off to my friends.

              #826618
              DC31k
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                @dc31k

                If it is not a rude question, where and when did you go to school?

                In my youth, the teacher had a pencil shapener on her desk that you inserted the pencil and rotated a handle to point it. The pencil only moved laterally as material was removed, no rotation. The debris was collected in a container underneath.

                Have a search for ‘Helix pencil sharpener’ to see today’s version of the machine. If you look on Youtube, there are many restoration videos of the type, where you can see the operating principle. It is a planetary gearset at heart so some good engineering content.

                Some early thoughts on the Helix Metal Desktop Sharpener.

                This does not meet the non-rotative specification, but is interesting nonetheless (use a circular rack and pinion):

                 

                 

                #826626
                Michael Gilligan
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                  @michaelgilligan61133
                  On DC31k Said:

                  […] This does not meet the non-rotative specification, but is interesting nonetheless (use a circular rack and pinion):

                  The interesting bit would be miniaturising those designs to suit just the 2mm lead in  Sonic’s mechanical ‘clutch pencil’ …

                  MichaelG.

                  #826628
                  SillyOldDuffer
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                    @sillyoldduffer
                    On Sonic Escape Said:

                    Yes, the pencil has a sharpener. But it’s not fun to use. I imagine a complicated sharpener with lots of gears that I can show off to my friends.

                    My £3000 Warco WM280V-Pencil Sharper, only £3000, with VFD Speed Control, Tachometer, precision cutting head, and other accessories

                     

                     

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                    Example shown is a 10° pencil, specially designed to maximise lead support when filling out tax returns…

                    🙂

                    Dave

                     

                    #826631
                    DC31k
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                      @dc31k
                      On Michael Gilligan Said:

                      The interesting bit would be miniaturising those designs to suit just the 2mm lead in Sonic’s mechanical ‘clutch pencil’

                      I wonder if you could make a copy of the wooden bit of the pencil out of hexagon bar and bore it out 2mm.

                      It is not all that clear in the original post that the lead is to be separate from the body of the pencil while being sharpened. The alternative, keeping the lead in the pencil while being sharpened, would seem more efficient.

                      Thus, make the holder to suit the mechanical pencil and just poke the lead out a little more than would be used for writing.

                      My gut feeling says that improved pencil sharpeners are probably second only to improved mouse traps at the Patent Office.

                      #826652
                      Michael Gilligan
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                        @michaelgilligan61133

                        🙂

                        #826668
                        Sonic Escape
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                          @sonicescape38234
                          On DC31k Said:

                          If it is not a rude question, where and when did you go to school?

                          In my youth, the teacher had a pencil shapener on her desk that you inserted the pencil and rotated a handle to point it. The pencil only moved laterally as material was removed, no rotation. The debris was collected in a container underneath.

                          Have a search for ‘Helix pencil sharpener’ to see today’s version of the machine. If you look on Youtube, there are many restoration videos of the type, where you can see the operating principle. It is a planetary gearset at heart so some good engineering content.

                          Some early thoughts on the Helix Metal Desktop Sharpener.

                          This does not meet the non-rotative specification, but is interesting nonetheless (use a circular rack and pinion):

                           

                           

                          I started the school in ’89 in Vaslui. A small Romanian city. I never saw in reality another type of sharpener except this. During the planned economy it looks like nobody planed to produce a mechanical sharpener of any kind. And after the communist utopia ended the 0.5/0.7mm mechanical pencils were becoming available so we didn’t bother with the old wood types.

                          I know the helix sharpener. It is probably the most used design. But for some reason I don’t like it. It is just a personal esthetic reason. The rack an pinion type is more interesting. And not so complicated. It would be the low hanging fruit. I added it on the list of possible designs.

                          On Diogenes Said:

                          Use an angled ‘blade’ disc driven by a pinion in a planetary system?

                          Yes, I considered this. A hollow sun gear to allow the graphite dust to fall through. And the ring gear locked so the planet gears would rotate around the lead. But how can you make the ring gear without a shaper?

                          #826673
                          Sonic Escape
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                            @sonicescape38234

                            But if I’m thinkin better, I don’t need the complete planetary system. This is enough! The ring must be fixed. And a motor should drive the green gear that is connected to the red one. Now the red gear can drive an angled ‘blade’ sharpening disk. So in this way I avoid cutting the teeth inside the ring gear. This look like the best idea so far.

                             

                            Ss

                            #826674
                            Sonic Escape
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                              @sonicescape38234
                              On SillyOldDuffer Said:
                              On Sonic Escape Said:

                              Yes, the pencil has a sharpener. But it’s not fun to use. I imagine a complicated sharpener with lots of gears that I can show off to my friends.

                              My £3000 Warco WM280V-Pencil Sharper, only £3000, with VFD Speed Control, Tachometer, precision cutting head, and other accessories

                               

                              My 1500kg milling machine with the 50kg dividing head would be even better suited to sharpen the 2mm lead.

                              #826696
                              howardb
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                                @howardb

                                Back in the sixties I did a year of my apprenticeship in a design/production drawing office.

                                The draughtsmen there used conventional lead pencils, as did I.

                                6H 4H 2H and H – HB was used rarely except for rough sketching.

                                The sharpening method was to pare the wood part back with a sharp penknife and sharpen the lead to a chisel point on a sandpaper block.

                                This gives the draughtsman the ability to increase or decrease the thickness of the lines he wants, by slightly turning the pencil as he draws with it.

                                You can use the same technique with 2mm dia clutch pencil leads, which for tech drawing purposes are never sharpened to a point.

                                #826723
                                cedric 1
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                                  @cedric

                                  Obviously you need to build a scale model of your lathe, just big enough to fit 2mm lead in the spindle and cut a tiny taper on the end.

                                  #826725
                                  Alan Jackson
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                                    @alanjackson47790

                                    Just by yourself a modern clutch pencil with suitable leads of the grade you require (eg HB 2H 4H etc) and to the required lead diameter (eg 0.3mm 0.5mm 0.7mm etc) Job done.

                                    #826731
                                    Dave Wootton
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                                      @davewootton

                                      When a spotty 16 year old apprentice I was very pleased with myself for finding the perfect method of sharpening pencils, the fine wheel of a bench grinder. The result was a sharp smack around the earhole and a lecture about abusing a piece of machinery and clogging up the grinding wheel! Ahh the 1970’s, today I could probably have a couple of years off with stress and sue someone, Instead just thought better not do that again.

                                      #826777
                                      duncan webster 1
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                                        @duncanwebster1

                                        A shaper with a Stanley knife blade on the clapper box and a rotary device to turn the pencil would seem appropriately over complicated. It could be developed to sharpen several pencils at once.

                                        #826781
                                        Colin Bishop 2
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                                          @colinbishop2

                                          Just by yourself a modern clutch pencil with suitable leads of the grade you require (eg HB 2H 4H etc) and to the required lead diameter (eg 0.3mm 0.5mm 0.7mm etc) Job done.

                                          Quite, no need to complicate things.

                                           

                                           

                                          #826783
                                          Michael Gilligan
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                                            @michaelgilligan61133

                                            But wasn’t the whole idea that Sonic wanted to impress his mates with some inner Emett ?

                                            MichaelG.

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                                            #826791
                                            grubscrew
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                                              @grubscrew
                                              On Dave Wootton Said:

                                              Ahh the 1970’s, today I could probably have a couple of years off with stress and sue someone, Instead just thought better not do that again.

                                              Unfortunately, very true………..

                                               

                                              #826802
                                              bernard towers
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                                                @bernardtowers37738

                                                Would make a nice competition project!!!!

                                                #826804
                                                Sonic Escape
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                                                  @sonicescape38234

                                                  I distilled a little the design. Now the dust from the lead will not fall on the gears. there are still many details to sort out. But more or less this is the idea.

                                                   

                                                  ss1

                                                  #826805
                                                  cedric 1
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                                                    @cedric

                                                    I wonder in this day and age, could a small laser be used to cut the point on the lead? That would really impress one’s mates. Only Buck Rogers carries a laser pencil sharpener.

                                                    #826807
                                                    Paul Lousick
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                                                      @paullousick59116

                                                      I worked for 10 years on a drawing board as a draftsman using pencils and ink pens before they were replaced by CAD.  What we knew as a clutch pencil had a 2mm lead and was sharpened on a simple device clamped to the side of our drawing board. (For long thin lines, the lead had a chisel point that was made by rubbing on a piece of sand paper)

                                                      The newer type pencil with different diameter leads were called mechanical pencils. They may be more convenient but do not produce as good/professional lines as the conventional clutch pencils.

                                                      The sharpener has a pencil guide which is offset at an angle. Just place the pencil into the guide and rotate the top and use the pencil to crank the guide by 1 or 2 turns. (Sharpening the pencil tip was an automatic reaction and done almost without thinking after drawing a couple of lines).

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