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  • #821119
    Bo’sun
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      @bosun58570

      Good morning,

      Any suggestions for a compact compressor for test running small steam engines (small to medium Stuart type)?

      A workshop compressor would be useful for other tasks, but I just don’t have the space for one.

      #821128
      bernard towers
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        @bernardtowers37738

        Try an airbrush compressor

        #821145
        howardb
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          @howardb

          Something like this would probably fit the bill for your use.

          Portable – small air tank – oil free-silenced – uses standard pressure switch.

           

          https://shorturl.at/7yc1J

          #821146
          Paul Lousick
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            @paullousick59116

            Another option for running small steam engines is a hand held steam cleaner. Inexpensive, quiet and uses real steam.

            #821171
            Michael Gilligan
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              @michaelgilligan61133

              This looks a potential bargain … but is collection only

              https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/136606771567

              MichaelG.

              #821195
              Richard Simpson
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                @richardsimpson88330

                I have used a Clarke Shhh! for many years now, I’m on my second after I wore the first one out over a 20 year period.  Great for multi-purpose at home, i.e. general workshop use, spraying and it can pump up tyres as well as run engines, but also perfect for running displays at shows because it is so quiet and very portable.

                Not cheap but good.

                https://www.machinemart.co.uk/p/quiet-run-compressor-2/

                 

                #821201
                Andy Stopford
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                  @andystopford50521

                  I’ve got one of the Hyundai ones that Howard links to – ideal for the OP’s* purposes, I’d say.

                  Old airbrush compressors, like the one in Michael’s link, really aren’t suitable – they’re completely gutless and can be quite noisy. Even used for their intended purpose, they tend to run out of breath irritatingly quickly. I would imagine a modern one would fine though.

                  *OP = Original Post(er) – never let it be said that I use undefined abbreviations!

                  #821211
                  Michael Gilligan
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                    @michaelgilligan61133
                    On Andy Stopford Said:

                     

                    […] Old airbrush compressors, like the one in Michael’s link, really aren’t suitable – they’re completely gutless and can be quite noisy. […]

                    I stand corrected …but if that  Tuffy was around the corner, I would be bidding for it.

                    MichaelG

                    #821215
                    JasonB
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                      @jasonb

                      Not the quietest an dwith no tank you don’t even get a break.

                      https://www.google.com/search?sca_esv=514c60beb9213ab0&rlz=1C1CHBF_enGB754GB754&sxsrf=AE3TifP_5evYD8cidBByyRkLFN9ynnQkAw:1761161252042&udm=7&fbs=AIIjpHxU7SXXniUZfeShr2fp4giZ1Y6MJ25_tmWITc7uy4KIeioyp3OhN11EY0n5qfq-zEMZldv_eRjZ2XLYc5GnVnME7glWodDcaQwvGYJtospyF4hao4VocMoniUVvlzzwRcCLYvfsjPeiuln4CZ9mxRNzMJl71rp-WEM_b89yTboF0wE9FSbwRYrSVuB6YHexvLk_d7r_74zDurdYUrhSbdL5TbQGiA&q=Devilbiss+tuffy&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjdzcf2xLiQAxVvdUEAHbqvNm0QtKgLegQIFRAB&biw=1680&bih=889&dpr=1#fpstate=ive&vld=cid:f073e637,vid:zxAg78SH0dc,st:0

                      If you can manage with the size of one of the small tanked single motor Hyundai types then they are a reasonably buy. I like my bigger one but that would be beyond your requirements.

                      https://hyundaipowerequipment.co.uk/hyundai-8-litre-air-compressor-4cfm-118psi-silenced-oil-free-direct-drive-0-75hp-hy5508

                      With a FAD of 2cu. ft./min you should get about 150rpm out of a No4 or No9 and around 250rpm out of  avictoria or similar 1″ x 2″ engine though they don’t really want running at such a speed.

                      #821221
                      Andy Stopford
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                        @andystopford50521
                        On Michael Gilligan Said:
                        On Andy Stopford Said:

                         

                        […] Old airbrush compressors, like the one in Michael’s link, really aren’t suitable – they’re completely gutless and can be quite noisy. […]

                        I stand corrected …but if that  Tuffy was around the corner, I would be bidding for it.

                        MichaelG

                        If you just need a squirt of air every now and then without waiting for a tank to fill, you could do worse, especially at a tenner or so – I have occasionally thought of buying one of those cheapo tyre inflators from Lidl for that very purpose.

                        #821227
                        Richard B
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                          @richardb44403

                          I have test run Stuart 10V, Double 10 and a launch engine using the Lidl’s car tyre compressor with a charged 12volt car battery. Both in my workshop and demonstrating at a model boat club winter event.

                          I have now got one of the small Hyundai compressors shown above and they are very quiet compared to a lot of others and pretty compact. I have bought a pressure regulator to attach to the outlet as it doesn’t come with one but they are pretty cheap. Just ensure you get the correct connection as there are a few ‘standard’ coupling types out there – from memory it is the Euro spec one – best check !

                          #821228
                          Trevor Drabble 1
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                            @trevordrabble1

                            Would also suggest looking at the small Badger compressor available from Hobbies .

                            #821238
                            JasonB
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                              @jasonb

                              Or if you really want portable, will do upto No10 size in short burst.

                               

                              #821241
                              James A
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                                @jamesalford67616

                                I have one of the Hyundai compressors shown in the link further up this thread and an Orazio version for similar money. Surprisingly, the Orazio is better built and much quieter than the Hyundai, but has similar performance. I have had the Orazio for about eight years without problems, despite heavy use.

                                https://www.amazon.co.uk/ORAZIO-241184-Silent-Oiless-Compressor/dp/B00KDEVR9G/ref=asc_df_B00KDEVR9G?mcid=aa56d0eece4d3d62a53fab6c86e185d9&hvocijid=14443124307471854535-B00KDEVR9G-&hvexpln=74&tag=googshopuk-21&linkCode=df0&hvadid=696285193871&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=14443124307471854535&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9046140&hvtargid=pla-2281435176698&gad_source=1&th=1

                                James

                                 

                                #821250
                                noel shelley
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                                  @noelshelley55608

                                  Any air compressor with a reciprocating piston or diaphram will vibrate and generate noise. For a near silent unit you need a vane type, though often VERY expensive the Binks-Bullows/hydravane if one can be found will fill the bill. Compact, built in relief valve at about 40psi, and the quietest I’ve ever seen. Noel.

                                  #821254
                                  SillyOldDuffer
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                                    @sillyoldduffer
                                    On Andy Stopford Said:
                                    On Michael Gilligan Said:
                                    On Andy Stopford Said:

                                     

                                    […] Old airbrush compressors, like the one in Michael’s link, really aren’t suitable – they’re completely gutless and can be quite noisy. […]

                                    I stand corrected …but if that  Tuffy was around the corner, I would be bidding for it.

                                    MichaelG

                                    If you just need a squirt of air every now and then without waiting for a tank to fill, you could do worse, especially at a tenner or so – I have occasionally thought of buying one of those cheapo tyre inflators from Lidl for that very purpose.

                                    The requirement is for an air pump producing a high-volume of air at low pressure, and a tyre inflator produces low-volume air at high pressure.  It’s designed to overcome the pressure inside the tyre, usually over 25psi, not to run a small engine.   Not a good match to an engine that might turn over with less than half a Bar, but needs a steady ‘1/n’ litres of air fill the cylinder on each stroke.

                                    Actually, it’s hard to find a cheap off-the-shelf pump that is ideal.

                                    • Workshop compressors do the job but are bulky and noisy. Many are very noisy!  The air in the reservoir is far too high for an model engine, but it can be stepped down with the regulator to match the engine.
                                    • Aquarium pumps are expensive and low volume.

                                    I’ve not identified anything closer to “fit for purpose” and “value for money” than an Air-brush compressor.  Physically smaller than a workshop compressor and quieter, and can be bought for under £100.   Typical spec isn’t perfect, “2.3Bar with the Airbrush/ 23L/Min”, but not bad, provided the regulator can be dialled down.   Any other suggestions?

                                    Given that suitable pumps are hard to find, I’m surprised no-one has designed one!  We proudly make other stuff that can’t be bought, but seemingly not an affordable air-pump suitable for running small engines.  Is it too difficult?   Or could it be that Model Engineers only make things they already know how to make!

                                    🙂

                                    Dave

                                     

                                    #821257
                                    Bo’sun
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                                      @bosun58570

                                      Thanks everybody,

                                      I like the idea of the Hyundai HY5508, and it gets some good reviews for what it is.  It maybe a little bigger than I was looking for, but still livable with if I get the shoe horn out.  There’s no doubt other uses for it I’m sure.  The price seems reasonable too, even if I add a pressure regulator and hose.

                                       

                                       

                                       

                                      #821263
                                      Dave S
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                                        @daves59043

                                        In that vein I have a 3D printed turbine compressor in the garage at the moment which is awaiting some finishing touches. I was planning to use it as chip clearance blower for my CNC, but as the flood coolant works I haven’t got round tuit yet.

                                        Should be fairly quiet and a largeish volume of low pressure air.

                                        Dave

                                        #821273
                                        larry phelan 1
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                                          @larryphelan1

                                          I think Dave has hit the nail on the head  once again !

                                          #821280
                                          Michael Gilligan
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                                            @michaelgilligan61133

                                            We are of like mind, Dave [SOD]

                                            Surely the compressor only needs to be rated a little above the consumption of the engine[s] being tested/demonstrated.

                                            On the subject of alternative designs … I have long admired the peristaltic pump.

                                            MichaelG.

                                            #821288
                                            JasonB
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                                              @jasonb
                                              On SillyOldDuffer Said:
                                              • Aquarium pumps are expensive and low volume.

                                              With the size of some aquariums these days they need not be low volume, I have seen the same pumps that I use on my pond used on large tanks. Mine are 40lts/min and 80lts/min. thats 1.5 an 3 cfm

                                              Richard B also seems to get mid sized Stuarts running on his Lidle tyre inflator too.

                                              #821302
                                              JasonB
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                                                @jasonb

                                                Nothing like a practical test, I know it’s hard for people who don’t make engines to be able to test if what they say works or not but I braved the rain & wind and made  a quick video.

                                                Charles Austen ET40 Enviro Pump which can be had from fish keeping supopliers as well as those selling them for bio-bubbler type waste water treatment. Rated at a whopping 30watts and delivers approx 40lts/min at 4ft depth and can be had for around £70.

                                                Video starts with the pump running my Stuart 10V as well as a good volume of air to the pond bottom drain at 5ft depth. I then close off the lines to the pond and the engine runs faster.

                                                Near silent, small, cheap to run, and very reliable so certainly an option to consider if limited for space and you are not trying to run a No6A under load.

                                                #821309
                                                Bo’sun
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                                                  @bosun58570

                                                  Thank you Jason,

                                                  Another viable suggestion.

                                                  #821313
                                                  Richard Simpson
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                                                    @richardsimpson88330

                                                    One thing to bear in mind with many compressors, especially airbrush type compressors is their duty rating.  Some can only be run for a maximum of maybe ten minutes before they have to be left to cool down again.  This is fine for airbrush work where the use is intermittent and buffered by a reservoir but should be noted if longer use is needed.

                                                    Many airbrush type compressors can be bought as an all-in-one kit with reducer, drier and airbrush but the airbrush is only fit for the bin.  The compressors are fine for running a model engine but not for long.  Many use exactly the same valve head as this one in multiples and possibly with a bigger tank.

                                                    07-12-18-09AirBrushCompressor1

                                                    The reason I mentioned the Clarke Shhh! earlier is because the original poster mentioned the fact that he would like one for workshop use but didn’t have the space.  The Shhh! does give you that flexibility for light workshop duties and its footprint is not much more than an airbrush compressor.  The great advantage is that it is extremely quiet because it basically uses a completely sealed refrigeration compressor.  You hardly know it is running.

                                                     

                                                    02-12-23-07Shhh!Compressor9

                                                    For very light use there is a whole range of beauty use compressors for nail bars and tanning salons, all of which are low capacity but vastly varying in quality.

                                                    25-11-23-03MiniAirBrushCompressor3

                                                    There are also the small compact units such as the Iwata Neo, again for limited use airbrush operation but man enough to drive a small engine.  These can get more expensive but they do have a couple of pressure settings:

                                                    25-11-23-05NeoAirAirBrushCompressor2

                                                    Again though, not rated for continuous use.

                                                    #821315
                                                    JasonB
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                                                      @jasonb

                                                      As for duty cycle My Charles Austen ET80 runs 24/7 365 days a year and the smaller one similar in summer but down to around two 2hr runs in winter. Both about 5-6 years old now. My previous 40lts pump lasted 25yrs many at 24/7 and only dies due to water flowing back into the pump.

                                                      My Hyundai when it is being used as air blast on the CNC can be on for 4hrs at a time though it does cut in and out a sthe tank is filled.

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