making a flycutter

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15 October 2011 at 09:49 #5705
Dismaldunc
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oh no ! now the new lad has bought a mill
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15 October 2011 at 09:49 #76308
Dismaldunc
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Hello folks, So I finally have myself a nice SX2 plus from arc trade, and very nice it is too. My first thoughts on milling.. its a noisy violent process and you REALLY need to make sure the work is held down. friction counts for nothing you need a positive hold on the stuff.

Anyhow, getting the hang of depth of cuts, feed rates etc and am making a flycutter out of aluminium. its going fine but just need to know if its ok to use one of my indexable lathe tools as a cutter?

Thanks in advance

Duncan
15 October 2011 at 10:19 #76311
Clive Hartland
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Duncan, why make the fly cutter from Aluminium? You need as much inertia from the tool as possible so it should be made from steel.

The aluminium will not be durable and could well distort around the cutter location.

Particularly when being clamped up hard.

As regards the cutters, buy or obtain some 6mm High speed steel cutter blanks and grind up to suit.

Best bet is search for a set of fly cutters in one of the tool suppliers as they are so cheap.

Clive

Edited By Clive Hartland on 15/10/2011 10:19:58
15 October 2011 at 10:26 #76313
Ian S C
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Hi Duncan, You can use indexable lathe tools, but you;ll do OK with HSS, you can sharpen it easily, its cheaper, don’t know how big your wallet is, but you need cheap. I don’t know that aluminium is the best material for making the tool holder, someone will tell us which steel to use, I’m afraid I just use what I’v got.

I don’t find that its too noisy when things are going well. Ian S C
15 October 2011 at 10:31 #76314
Nicholas Farr
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Hi Ducan, I have to agree with Clive. IMHO I wouldn’t think that Aluminium would stand up to the constant inttermitant loading that they very often get, as it will start to distort and creep out of shape, and you may even find the cutter flying out while in use.

Regards Nick.

Edited By Nicholas Farr on 15/10/2011 10:32:33
15 October 2011 at 11:19 #76317
Dismaldunc
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Thanks chaps, well I didnt think that one through! of course it need mass for inertia and strength. Truth be known I had a lump of ally being used as a paperweight and thought I would give it a whirl as a practice piece.

I will get somm HSS finish the tool and most likely use it as a template for a steel one.

The milling has got a lot better since i relaced the gib screws yesterday and got them all well snugged up!

Thanks again

Duncan
15 October 2011 at 13:06 #76320
Michael Cox 1
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Hi Duncan,

If you want to make a flycutter you might like to consider making one with a tangential tool:

http://mikesworkshop.weebly.com/tangential-tool-flycutter.html

This type of tool in my experience enables a much greater depth of cut and gives a superior finish to conventional flycutters.

Mike
15 October 2011 at 14:46 #76322
Dismaldunc
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Hi Mike, Thanks for the link thats a really good article, I shall certainly give it a go

Dunc
15 October 2011 at 22:44 #76349
ady
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.. its a noisy violent process

which is why I got a shaper.
16 October 2011 at 21:03 #76396
Sub Mandrel
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.. its a noisy violent process

I agree with Ian, if it is really noisy, someting is wrong. As you have discovered by adjusting the gibs the mill is MUCH less tolerant of poor adjustment than a lathe. Normal cutting on a lathe tends to push the bearing surfaces into contact, but mills push and pull in different directions as you move around the work.

Also the intermittent cut of a mill tool is different from the continuous cut of most turning as well. this means mills are very intolerant of wrong feedrate and blunt tools. Note that too slow with the speed or feedrate can make things ‘rough’ as well as too fast.

Neil
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