RECORD 03 Wood Plane Rear Handle Thread

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4 October 2022 at 15:37 #615976
Martin King 2
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Hi All,

I am in the process of sorting out a very nice RECORD 03 Smoothing Plane that has some issues, the main being a broken off rear tote securing screw.

Naturally it has broken off right at the casting and there is also a broken off tap where someone else has had a go!

I have the body casting set up in the mill at the correct angle and have drilled the old screw & tap out. Loctited in a nice snug fitting steel plug ready to re drill and tap.

Does anyone have one that they could please check the correct thread for me? looks about 20tpi or so but I have no part to reference.

Cheers, Martin
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4 October 2022 at 15:37 #34090
Martin King 2
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4 October 2022 at 15:47 #615977
HOWARDT
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I had a selection of old planes with various screws missing, I think the basic thread may be 3/16 BSF. Amazon have selections of the required parts and I bought one of these. Some parts fitted some planes but not all, so there is a difference between Record and Stanley dependant on age. There is lots of information on the net which I read at the time so just have a search.
4 October 2022 at 16:13 #615981
Brian Wood
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Hello Martin,

I've taken my Record #3 to pieces. The thread is odd at 0.210 inches across and very definitely 20 TPI, so make what you will of that!

I might be inclined to tap it out at M6 and mark the plane accordingly.

Best wishes Brian
4 October 2022 at 16:17 #615984
JasonB
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7/32" x 20 see here
4 October 2022 at 16:22 #615985
Brian Wood
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Jason has once again found the information you needed and it confirms my findings today

Brian
4 October 2022 at 19:24 #616005
Clive Brown 1
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I'm amazed that a firm with roots in the Black Country in the 19th. century and later in Yorkshire, used American form unified theads in pre WW2 products.
4 October 2022 at 19:43 #616008
Michael Gilligan
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Posted by Clive Brown 1 on 04/10/2022 19:24:07:

I'm amazed that a firm with roots in the Black Country in the 19th. century and later in Yorkshire, used American form unified theads in pre WW2 products.

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All the more surprising that they mixed Whitworth and Unified thread forms on the same tool.

… There must surely be an interesting story behind that.

MichaelG.
4 October 2022 at 22:55 #616020
ega
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Posted by JasonB on 04/10/2022 16:17:36:

7/32" x 20 see here

Excellent find!

Where is the Stanley equivalent?
5 October 2022 at 07:06 #616029
JasonB
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here is one of several if you care to look also gives an idea why Record used some American threads as they like others just copied the Stanley designs. Though do check if it's an American or English made Stanley and of what vintage as the newer UK ones have some metric threads.

The two pdfs in that link have a lot of infor too.
5 October 2022 at 08:18 #616037
Michael Gilligan
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Those two PDFs make good reading

.. thanks Jason

MichaelG.

Edited By Michael Gilligan on 05/10/2022 08:20:45
5 October 2022 at 10:15 #616050
Martin King 2
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@martinking2
Hi All,

Sent an email to Tracy Tools who replied overnight with their normal expedient service!

" Good Morning, thank you for enquiry, we can only help with the taps, we have in stock HSS £30.00 PER TAP, Dies would have to be made as a 1 off special, cost for 1 off would be in region of £200.00 possibly more if tooling charge was required"

Ouch! Guess I will use another thread!

Cheers, Martin
5 October 2022 at 10:16 #616051
JasonB
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Could you not screwcut the male thread?
5 October 2022 at 10:45 #616055
Martin King 2
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@martinking2
Hi All,

Got this from Tracy Tools when I asked if they had enquiries for this size:

"Not really , last time we sold a tap was 2015"

Martin
5 October 2022 at 11:24 #616067
ega
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Posted by JasonB on 05/10/2022 07:06:28:

here is one of several if you care to look also gives an idea why Record used some American threads as they like others just copied the Stanley designs. Though do check if it's an American or English made Stanley and of what vintage as the newer UK ones have some metric threads.

The two pdfs in that link have a lot of infor too.

Again, thanks; I have bookmarked these for future reference.

I suppose that using the American threads gave some interchangeability for spares.
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