Cutting a 1/2″ bsp thread on Harrison L5 help

Cutting a 1/2″ bsp thread on Harrison L5 help

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  • #562069
    nigel jones 5
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      Help needed with gear choice and configuration in otder to cut a 1/2" bsp thread on my harrison – not threadcutting gearbox – L5. Charts are on the machine but have worn away. Thanks

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      nigel jones 5
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        #562084
        Ady1
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          @ady1

          is that it?

          #562101
          nigel jones 5
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            @nigeljones5

            forgive me, i thought it was all the info needed. I need to know what changewheel no of teeth and positiion to cut 14 tpi on the L5.

            #562102
            nigel jones 5
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              @nigeljones5

              thanks Ady – that is indeed the thing i needed – having a bad day!

              #562105
              nigel jones 5
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                @nigeljones5

                using that c hart with the 3 speed gearbox i can get close to 14 tpi by using the closest metric equivalent but can it be made exactly – never done this before

                #562109
                JasonB
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                  @jasonb

                  Can you read the gears for 7, 28 or 56tpi on your worn chart, if so you probably just need to move the 3 speed lever to another position when set to that gear train

                  Edited By JasonB on 09/09/2021 20:21:37

                  #562112
                  nigel jones 5
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                    @nigeljones5

                    there apear to be two tables. table for general screw cutting 14tpi says top-40 mid-100 bot 70 Lever-A. Another plate says for whitworth and bsf same but mid is 60. Surely tpi is the same regardless of thread profile?

                    #562114
                    JasonB
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                      @jasonb

                      mid one is probably an idler so makes no difference.

                      So ignore the mid gear in the 40-100-70 gear train and you get 40/70 = 0.571

                      Assuming an 8 tpi lead screw so one turn = 0.125" then 0.125" x 0.571 = 0.071" which is 14 tpi

                      #562130
                      Ady1
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                        @ady1

                        Must admit when I looked at it I thought omg

                        edit: a nice light test cut scribe line would be a good idea, always worth checking anyway

                        Edited By Ady1 on 09/09/2021 22:59:09

                        #562131
                        Nigel Graham 2
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                          Jason

                          The leadscrew on an L5 is of 1/4 " pitch, not 1/8" . At least on mine it is.

                          Verify the tooth-count on the spindle pinion: on my lathe it differs from that given in the manual.

                          Otherwise, depending if a 40T or 20T pinion and my arithmetic not being all up the creek:

                          4/14 = 40/140 = 20-idler-70

                          or perhaps 40 – [70+30] – 60 (compound).

                          The leadscrew gearbox should be on the 1:1 position (I think that is "A" ).

                          #562141
                          JasonB
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                            My calculation was for a straight through 1:1 which is most likely B which now being a 4tpi screw would give a cut of 7tpi, if so A would give half the rotation so that will be 14tpi and C will give double or 3.5tpi

                            I assumed 40T spindle so

                            1:2 lever position 0.5 x 0.571 x 0.25 = 0.071 = 14tpi

                            1:1 lever position 1 x 0.571 x 0.25 = 0.143 = 7tpi

                            2:1 lever position 2 x 0.571 x 0.25 = 0.286 = 3.5tpi

                            If a 20T spindle

                            1:2 lever position 0.5 x 0.286 x 0.25 = 0.071 = 28tpi

                            1:1 lever position 1 x 0..286 x 0.25 = 0.143 = 14tpi

                            2:1 lever position 2 x 0.286 x 0.25 = 0.286 = 7tpi

                            Fizzy, can you post a picture of whats left of your chart just to be sure

                             

                            Edited By JasonB on 10/09/2021 07:26:16

                            #562168
                            Nigel Graham 2
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                              Thank you Jason

                              Just dug out my copy of the manual.

                              What confused me was that the top shaft wheel on my L5 is of 20T and appears not removeable as the book suggests it should be, whereas the table in the book is for a 40T top shaft wheel for 14tpi.

                              It gives 40 – 100(idler) – 70 then gearbox position A… 2:1 reduction; but for my lathe I need 20 – idler – 70 and C (1:1).

                              Fizzy –

                              The plates on top of my lathe are all worn away too!

                              Though not cheap I suggest you buy one of Tony Griffith's (lathes.co.) facsimiles of the L5 manual. It is a very comprehensive operating and servicing book, and includes the change-wheel tables for both imperial (any thread-form) and metric threads. If you are going to do a lot of screw-cutting it would be worth hanging copies of the tables up by the lathe – you could laminate the copy or protect it simply with a polythene bag.

                              #562378
                              nigel jones 5
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                                thanks all – i managed to see that it says 40-100-70, pretty sure the spindle gear is 20 so do i now need 20 – idler – 70?

                                #562379
                                nigel jones 5
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                                  #562380
                                  nigel jones 5
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                                    @nigeljones5

                                    ping

                                    #562389
                                    JasonB
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                                      @jasonb

                                      Pong

                                      No the 20 drives a 40T, then the 100T or whatever you have to fill the gap driving a 70T on the gearbox input.

                                      #562417
                                      Howard Lewis
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                                        With a 4 tpi Leadscrew, for a 14 tpi thread, the reduction between Mandrel and Leadscrew needs to be 3.5 :1

                                        (14 / 4 = 3.5 )

                                        So, on the face of it a 20T – Idler – 70T would do the job, assuming that the intermediate settings are 1:1.

                                        If there is a 2:1 Intermediate reduction then the 40 iDLER 70 set up will do the job..

                                        Howard

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