F1 shaper

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18 April 2015 at 17:20 #186855
Rik Shaw
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@rikshaw
My shaper has at sometime in its life been fitted with a single phase 240v motor. The two speed pulley on the motor driving on the smallest and slowest setting is still way to fast for some jobs so I need to find an EASY way to slow it down.

Without going through all the faf involved with buying/making another pulley is it possible to put something like this:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/New-High-torque-50V-220V-AC-Motor-Speed-Controller-Power-2000W-/321726558855

between the three pin plug and the motor to get the desired result?

The identification plate on the motor is unreadable but judging by the physical size I would guess it to be between 1 1/2 and 2 HP.

You will have gathered that my electro-intelligence is non existent – sorry – however, I can make a blinding fish curry.

Rik

Edited By Rik Shaw on 18/04/2015 17:20:37
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18 April 2015 at 17:20 #23823
Rik Shaw
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@rikshaw
18 April 2015 at 17:33 #186857
Les Jones 1
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@lesjones1
Hi Rik,
Almost certainly no as it most likely an induction motor. The speed controller in your link will only work with a series wound motor. (Also known as a universal motor.)
I just had another look at the advert and noticed this amusing claim "reverse polarity protection" on AC.

Les.

Edited By Les Jones 1 on 18/04/2015 17:38:28
18 April 2015 at 17:58 #186862
paul 1950
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the size of the motor will have nothing to do with the HP I have a very old 1/2 HP motor that is much bigger than a new 3 HP motor, my old shaper was well under 1 HP from what i can remember. the motor you have may be the wrong speed.
18 April 2015 at 19:48 #186882
Robbo
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@robbo
Rik,

1.5 to 2 HP is way overpowered for an Alba 1A. Someone has probably just stuck on whatever motor he had, so it may well be over fast as well.

The Elliott 10M used a 3/4 HP 3-phase motor with a speed of 1000 rpm, a strange figure and impossible to match in single phase. The Alba, being a precursor of the Elliott, may have been the same.

I gave up trying to find a single phase motor and just stuck an inverter in an enclosure below the motor.

Edited By Robbo on 18/04/2015 19:50:28
18 April 2015 at 20:32 #186888
paul 1950
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@paul1950
i gave up with my alba 1 and attacked it with a large hammer
19 April 2015 at 17:49 #186982
Phil Whitley
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@philwhitley94135
You can't go the speed control route with an old motor I am afraid Rik, it will almost certainly overheat, because slowing it down also slows down it's cooling fan. Check the rpm on the motor It should be 1440 or thereabouts, I bet it has been fitted with a 2880 from a compressor. single phase 1 1/2 to 2 hp motors will be cheaper than a VFD speed control, don't buy new, go to a motor repair and rewind shop.

Phil
19 April 2015 at 18:30 #186989
Phil Whitley
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@philwhitley94135
my Alba 1A is single phase, I am at the workshop tomorrow, I will check it out and see what speed and hp it is

Phil
19 April 2015 at 18:43 #186992
John Stevenson 1
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They usually had a 6 pole motor on so 870 to 960 revs was normal motor speed.
19 April 2015 at 23:03 #187017
daveb
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@daveb17630
My Alba 1A was fitted with a 3/4HP single phase motor from new, sorry, can't remember the RPM, it was either 960 or 1400. I suppose you know there is a 2 speed gearbox as well as the double pulley? I never used the top speed, it was fast!
20 April 2015 at 20:50 #187162
Phil Whitley
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@philwhitley94135
Sorry Rik, didn't go today, there tomorrow though, and will let you know.

Phil
21 April 2015 at 09:34 #187196
Rik Shaw
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@rikshaw
I have just put a tacho on the motor spindle and it reads 1440. That's 440 to fast from what I have read on here. All remarks very helpful – thanks all and yes I do know I can select from 4 speeds. I dare not select the highest speed – I prefer the shaper to stay put in the workshop.

Rik
21 April 2015 at 10:16 #187207
colin hawes
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@colinhawes85982
My Elliott shaper has a 3/4 hp 960 rpm 3 phase motor, which has been altered to run on single phase. Colin
2 May 2015 at 14:44 #188398
Phil Whitley
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@philwhitley94135
Finally remembered, albeit too late John S is right (of course!) mine also has a 960 rpm motor, single phase, made by SEM in Beckenham, UK (Small Electroc Motors)#

Phil
2 May 2015 at 14:46 #188400
Phil Whitley
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@philwhitley94135
Mine is also 3/4 hp
2 May 2015 at 15:13 #188401
Anonymous
My shaper came without a motor. The manual quotes a hp rating but not a motor speed. I fitted it with a 4hp 4 pole three phase motor.

Andrew
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