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[dcostaParticipant @dcosta]

Hello John Rutzen.

The latest versions of the Raspberry Pi have wifi, which makes it easier for me to use it using the same monitor I use for Windows.
There is a free application called VNC Viewer that consists of two parts, one of which runs on Windows (as a client) and the other on Linux (on the Raspberry PI) as a server, which allows me to do so. So with a single monitor and a single keyboard I can access either Windows or Linux on Raspberry PI.
Naturally, VNC Viewer does not require wifi, so older versions of the Raspberry PI that do not have wifi can also be accessed via this route.
Check here please https://www.realvnc.com/en/connect/download/viewer/

Greretings from
Dias Costa

[Anonymous]

Posted by dcosta on 19/11/2020 10:44:38:

There is a free application called VNC Viewer that consists of two parts, one of which runs on Windows (as a client) and the other on Linux (on the Raspberry PI) as a server, which allows me to do so.

Are you sure it's free?

[John RutzenParticipant @johnrutzen76569]

Hi Dias, Frances, Peter, Bazyle, thanks for response. I watched a video about it and it looked quite interesting it was just that it said nothing about printing. I've since looked it up and it seems you can write it commands and then download a driver. Not that straightforward but this thread seemed to be about Windows not working very well so maybe Linux would be a better alternative. I'm in the position that I need to get a new laptop of some sort because my 2009 macbook is no longer supported so I've been weighing the alternatives. To get a "real" linux laptop is very expensive and seems to be no longer an advantage just to get a free operating system. I don't really want to go to Windows but it seems that if you want to try CAD the free good programmes are on Windows although Fusion does a Mac version as well. The Linux CAD is all free but rather awkward to use.

[Frances IoMParticipant @francesiom58905]

there are several operating systems + graphical interfaces available for RPi4 – there is 64bit version of Ubuntu2010 at the real cutting edge or the RaspberryPi O/S which is a derivative of Debian or just load Debian10 + chose among the several offered is XFCE (my choice as simple no frills) and should, like all others, offer CUPS which includes all the drivers needed for printing unless you have a very strange printer. I tried my Pi400 this pm with the camera + mic from the Sony playstation 3 and it worked as a camera – found the instructions to set it up as microphone but didn’t try that.

The ‘free’ Win10 CAD packages Fusion 360 is a somewhat restricted version unless you pay a considerable amount – since the Linux CAD programs are free + without strings just download and try them out.

Edited By Frances IoM on 19/11/2020 20:35:25

[John RutzenParticipant @johnrutzen76569]

I've been reading that an out of date but fast mac like this one makes a very good linux computer , the advantage of linux over mac os or windows being of course that these companies can't freeze you out of using your computer. I would have to get something else to do my every day stuff like email, eBay etc but the mac could be a good base for trying out some of the linux CAD programmes. Thanks for the input.

Edited By John Rutzen on 19/11/2020 22:05:48

[dcostaParticipant @dcosta]

Hi Peter Greene,

Yes you are right. VNCViewer is not free. It provides a test version that I used intensively for some time, on someone else's computer, so I kept the name in memory.
But I also used, in another time and context, another VNC called TigerVNC, which is free, and if I remember correctly it worked well.
I will try to install the TigerVNC client on my computer and the server on an 8GB Raspberry PI 4 and then I will say something.

Thank you for correcting me
Dias Costa

[Anonymous]

Thanks, Costa …. it was a genuine query actually. I thought perhaps I'd missed something. Certainly my copy wasn't free years ago when I got it.

It might actually be that the viewer is free but not the server … allowing you to use the viewer on a number of machines to view a single other machine. Makes a sort of sense but I couldn't positively establish that.

VNC does work exceedingly well though.

Edited By Peter Greene on 20/11/2020 01:37:05

[dcostaParticipant @dcosta]

Hi Peter Greene,
As I had proposed to myself in a previous post, I installed a free VNC server on the Raspberry PI 4 (8GB) and installed a free client on Windows 10.
The package is called TightVNC and at the following URL you will find the way to download the software and instructions for installation and configuration:
https://sbcguides.com/install-tightvnc-server-on-raspberry-pi/
It's a little slow, but it's been working well.

greetings
Dias Costa

[Cyril BonnettParticipant @cyrilbonnett24790]

My wife never got on with windows or with Microsoft Office which she uses or her work so I installed Ubuntu on a Dell Inspirion 1525, £70 used off Ebay, with an Intel Pentium Dual-Core cpu, 350GB hard drive and 16gb ram. She now uses LibreOffice which is compatible with Office 365 for what she wants and Thunderbird mail, along with Firefox browser and best of all doesn't shout at it! The small HP notebook went to one of our sons. Linux has a program called Wine that you can run some windows programs but is very limited.

As for the 32gb emmc storage on these small notebooks! the manufacturers knew that Microsoft windows 10 operating system was coming close to 30GB, install a couple of 'apps' and windows update then cripples the notebook by constantly looking for space.

A way around it is an external SSD hard drive, you can have windows operating system on the machines 32GB drive but move the program files, documents, photo etc. onto the external drive. There are many sites telling you how move the files. https://www.windowscentral.com/how-move-default-user-folders-new-drive-windows-10

Windows latest update has also killed my HP laptop's webcam, card reader and sound, took me ages to get the first two to work but the sound has so far eluded my efforts. Microsoft? useless, reinstall the operating system, then any programs you have installed yourself. Who needs sounds anyway.

[Frances IoMParticipant @francesiom58905]

Wine generally handles all XP programs, had no problems with my legacy programs tho you may need to read the documentation carefully – a major use seems to be to allow Games to run on Linux but that doesn’t interest me.

Web cameras generally work well under Linux (install Cheese and test them) – microphones can be somewhat trickier but generally you will find help on message boards.

If you go for a refurbished Lenovo machine then you won’t be disappointed with its performance under Linux.

But think just how you are crippling Windoze’s built in spying

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