Removing ER Collets

Removing ER Collets

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  • #819266
    Vic
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      @vic

      I’ve never experienced any difficulty inserting and removing ER32 collets but I sometimes struggle getting smaller ones out of their respective chuck. Any tips?

      #819270
      JasonB
      Moderator
        @jasonb

        Smaller ones are generally less flexible as there is more “meat” left at the ends of the slots and often less slots. It can help to mark your nut so that you know which way to tilt them when removing.

        #819271
        Chris Kaminski
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          @chriskaminski64716

          indeed, the smaller they are, the more difficult to get out of the nut.

          I used to go down to ER8, but it was such a PITA, that the smallest I use now is ER11

          #819273
          Vic
          Participant
            @vic

            I’ve got collets for about five different ER sizes. As you say, the smaller they are, the more difficult to get out.

            #819291
            JasonB
            Moderator
              @jasonb

              I was talking of hole size relative to ER size. But I suppose as the ER gets smaller you also have less to get hold of and less leverage when tilting them.

              #819300
              Nick Hughes
              Participant
                @nickhughes97026

                Try firmly and smartly, taping/smacking the side of the nut horizontally down on to a solid surface (without touching the collet itself), the vibration will usually cause the collet to release.

                #819304
                Dell
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                  @dell

                  I use ER8 sometimes & I have a piece of hollow brass that goes over the narrow end & that gives me the leverage to remove them.

                  #819305
                  Neil Lickfold
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                    @neillickfold44316

                    The solution is the nut style that uses the spanner to remove the collet out as it undoes. The spanner goes through 2 slots in the nut. They are very well balanced as well for high speed spindles. There is no mechanism that holds the collet to the nut. I have some in ER11 to ER20. Great for the smaller diameter sizes.  When I bought mine they were new out, and he gave me the spanners for them. Now I see they have a link to the special spanners and they also do a range of other collet nuts now. Mine are the MS series.

                    Here is the link to them. I have not seen them anywhere else and really like them. I don’t think they are for through coolant but few hobby setups use through coolant anyway.

                    https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005004366047715.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.main.56.119050275SYLuq&algo_pvid=4deaa7c7-fc8f-4ea4-aeb2-fa6b5a2d7064&algo_exp_id=4deaa7c7-fc8f-4ea4-aeb2-fa6b5a2d7064-55&pdp_ext_f=%7B%22order%22%3A%2243%22%2C%22eval%22%3A%221%22%2C%22fromPage%22%3A%22search%22%7D&pdp_npi=6%40dis%21NZD%215.49%215.49%21%21%2122.14%2122.14%21%402101d9ee17599090872725397edd80%2112000028923125542%21sea%21NZ%21115739146%21X%211%210%21n_tag%3A-29919%3Bd%3Ae85da6c4%3Bm03_new_user%3A-29895&curPageLogUid=gXvU7xNW3uFh&utparam-url=scene%3Asearch%7Cquery_from%3A%7Cx_object_id%3A1005004366047715%7C_p_origin_prod%3A

                    #819310
                    Nick Hughes
                    Participant
                      @nickhughes97026
                      On Nick Hughes Said:

                      I thought that all ER nuts had the “Extraction” ring or lip on them, that you have to hook the collet over and so assumed in my reply, that the OP was struggling to remove the collet from the nut and not the chuck taper.

                       

                      #819317
                      John Haine
                      Participant
                        @johnhaine32865
                        On Vic Said:

                        I’ve never experienced any difficulty inserting and removing ER32 collets but I sometimes struggle getting smaller ones out of their respective chuck. Any tips?

                        Same happens with ER40 and ER16 in my experience.  As Jason said it’s because the smaller hole-size collets have more meat and are less flexible, probably combined in some cases with adverse tolerances on nut/collet/both.  Best I have found is to grit your teeth and push hard on the front face of the collet on the side that’s aligned with the maximum eccentricity of the extraction ring, and/or lever the back of the collet to lift it out of the ring.  I once bought an ER16 collet chuck adapter with a nut that it was impossible to get small collets into – the chuck was eccentric too so it went straight back.  When I got my ex-school Novamill there was a collet with cutter stuck in the chuck – the “teacher” hadn’t realised how to fit the collet properly so even when I got the nut off it was a struggle to get the collet out of its taper.

                        #819340
                        Vic
                        Participant
                          @vic
                          On Nick Hughes Said:
                          On Nick Hughes Said:

                          I thought that all ER nuts had the “Extraction” ring or lip on them, that you have to hook the collet over and so assumed in my reply, that the OP was struggling to remove the collet from the nut and not the chuck taper.

                           

                          Yes this is correct.

                          #819341
                          Chris Kaminski
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                            @chriskaminski64716
                            On Neil Lickfold Said:

                            The solution is the nut style that uses the spanner to remove the collet out as it undoes.

                            better link to original (rather than Chinese knock off) 🙂

                            https://us.rego-fix.com/en/products/clamping-nuts/er-ms?system=ER&country-detected=true

                            Having said so, I do not understand how? it makes getting collets out of the nut easier?

                            BTW – there are two threads in this thread…

                            a – getting “large collets with small opening” out of the nut

                            b- getting small collets eg ER8 or ER11 out of the nut

                            two different issues…

                            #819342
                            Chris Kaminski
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                              @chriskaminski64716
                              On Dell Said:

                              I use ER8 sometimes & I have a piece of hollow brass that goes over the narrow end & that gives me the leverage to remove them.

                              yes, I do the same

                              but ER8 is still PITA 🙂

                              #819354
                              Vic
                              Participant
                                @vic
                                BTW – there are two threads in this thread…

                                a – getting “large collets with small opening” out of the nut

                                b- getting small collets eg ER8 or ER11 out of the nut

                                two different issues…

                                Well the original post was about removing small collets from the nut. I don’t have any problems with large collets irrespective of opening size – maybe I’ve been lucky.

                                Back to the OP, I saw this:

                                 

                                https://youtu.be/Gk_412y1CUQ?si=yNOGGQqADaBVfywg

                                 

                                 

                                #819356
                                Vic
                                Participant
                                  @vic

                                  £300+ For a 3D printer and my problem is solved … 😂

                                  IMG_5706

                                  #819369
                                  Chris Kaminski
                                  Participant
                                    @chriskaminski64716
                                    On Vic Said:

                                    https://youtu.be/Gk_412y1CUQ?si=yNOGGQqADaBVfywg

                                    interesting, thanks

                                    clearly it’s not only us who have this problem?

                                    #819372
                                    Clive Foster
                                    Participant
                                      @clivefoster55965

                                      How difficult would it be to make an MS series collet nut or functional equivalent so the collet self extracts?

                                      Could it really be just as simple as a plain threaded bore with a cone end to match the collet and a pair of slots for the spanner.

                                      If so it rather begs the question of why the standard set-up needs the eccentric ring to hold the collet when installing or removing. Why the ER series needs so many different varieties of collet nut has always been a mystery to me.

                                      Clive

                                      #819373
                                      bernard towers
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                                        @bernardtowers37738

                                        I wonder how I managed all these years without one!

                                        #819375
                                        Georgineer
                                        Participant
                                          @georgineer
                                          On Nick Hughes Said:
                                          On Nick Hughes Said:

                                          I thought that all ER nuts had the “Extraction” ring or lip on them, that you have to hook the collet over …

                                          I believe that is so. I have some ES series collets which don’t have the extraction groove, so I’ve modified an ER-type nut to fit them.

                                          George

                                           

                                           

                                           

                                           

                                          #819383
                                          Vic
                                          Participant
                                            @vic
                                            On Chris Kaminski Said:
                                            On Vic Said:

                                            https://youtu.be/Gk_412y1CUQ?si=yNOGGQqADaBVfywg

                                            interesting, thanks

                                            clearly it’s not only us who have this problem?

                                            Yeah, I feel better now. I was beginning to think it was just me! 🤣

                                            #819402
                                            Martin Connelly
                                            Participant
                                              @martinconnelly55370

                                              Sledge hammer to crack a nut solution – get extra nuts and leave the tight collets in their own nut. It makes sense if you are tight for time and don’t want to waste an unknown amount of time struggling to remove the collet from the nut. You may only need one or two extra. I have also spent time struggling and growling under my breath at hard to remove ER16 collets like this but never had a problem with ER32.

                                              Martin C

                                              #819408
                                              Chris Kaminski
                                              Participant
                                                @chriskaminski64716
                                                On Chris Kaminski Said:

                                                Having said so, I do not understand how? it makes getting collets out of the nut easier?

                                                Found the answer, see:

                                                I like MS nuts, not only because they are easier to use but also because the have no eccentric

                                                will have to try them, thanks for the pointer

                                                #819428
                                                Neil Lickfold
                                                Participant
                                                  @neillickfold44316
                                                  On Chris Kaminski Said:
                                                  On Neil Lickfold Said:

                                                  The solution is the nut style that uses the spanner to remove the collet out as it undoes.

                                                  better link to original (rather than Chinese knock off) 🙂

                                                  https://us.rego-fix.com/en/products/clamping-nuts/er-ms?system=ER&country-detected=true

                                                  Having said so, I do not understand how? it makes getting collets out of the nut easier?

                                                  BTW – there are two threads in this thread…

                                                  a – getting “large collets with small opening” out of the nut

                                                  b- getting small collets eg ER8 or ER11 out of the nut

                                                  two different issues…

                                                  The MS style, has no mechanism to hold the collet to the nut. The collet goes into the 8 deg taper, and the nut just goes on over the top. The two slots in the nut, are for the spanner to sit through the nut and in the area of the relief groove that is in the collets.  When I bought mine, Regofix did not have them available to purchase in NZ, and would not sell to me from Europe. The ones from the Chinese manufacturer are very well made with very nicely ground threads.

                                                  #819436
                                                  Grindstone Cowboy
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                                                    @grindstonecowboy

                                                    Slight digression to the thread, apologies, but I’ve been looking for one of the ball-bearing type nuts for ER32 and stunned by some of the prices I’ve seen. Any suggestions for a reasonably priced one?

                                                    Thanks.

                                                    Rob

                                                    #819448
                                                    Chris Kaminski
                                                    Participant
                                                      @chriskaminski64716
                                                      On Neil Lickfold Said:

                                                      thanks Neil, bits ordered

                                                       

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