Drill Press Run out

[Andrew DavidParticipant @andrewdavid60356]

How much would be an acceptable run out in a drill press ?

Mine reads at .03 about at the MT with the chuck removed and it goes to 0.14- 0.16 at the inside of chuck measured with a. precision rod in the chuck .

My chuck is a keyless chuck tightened with hand type!

thanks

Andrew

[Andrew DavidParticipant @andrewdavid60356]

[SillyOldDufferModerator @sillyoldduffer]

Posted by Andrew David on 10/01/2023 18:48:05:

How much would be an acceptable run out in a drill press ?

Mine reads at .03 about at the MT with the chuck removed and it goes to 0.14- 0.16 at the inside of chuck measured with a. precision rod in the chuck .

My chuck is a keyless chuck tightened with hand type!

thanks

Andrew

Depends on what you're doing. Low run-out on a drill press makes like easier because the drill starts where it's aimed. But twist-drilling is low-accuracy process, so you can't expect too much of it.

High run-out on a drill-press isn't a disaster either. When the drill is spinning, the drill balances around the rotating axis, compensating for worn bearings. If the drill is lowered into a spot-punched, or centre-drilled hole, and the work floated into alignment with the drill, the drill will go in straight. But it won't stay straight if the spot hole is misaligned. A low run-out drill stands a better chance of correcting for a wonky start, but a good operator can compensate.

I've never bothered to measure the run-out on my pillar-drill. Worse than yours I guess, but it does what I want! That said, I prefer to drill with my milling machine. I start with a spot or centre-drill, then switch to a jobber to do all the hard work.

Don't be surprised if twist drills wander or otherwise misbehave in metal. Learning how to get the best of them is all part of the fun!

Dave

[Tony Pratt 1Participant @tonypratt1]

Andrew, your figures are about what I would expect of a drilling machine, shouldn't be too much of a problem. As SOD says above drilling isn't a high accuracy process.

Tony

[JasonBModerator @jasonb]

My drill press seldom gets used to drill anything of importance as I tend to do all my drilling in the mill as the DRO makes a better job of positioning than marking out. But sounds like your chuck/arbor is not ideal. I get 0.03mm on my most commonly used 0-10mm keyless chuck in the mill measured when holding a 10mm ground rod

Edited By JasonB on 10/01/2023 19:25:43

[Willem KotzeParticipant @willemkotze19252]

Are the mating tapers clean and without burrs? A MT taper adapter without the tang and a smear of marking paste showed the offending burr on mine. Drill runout now back to insignificant.

Regards.

Willem

[Pete.Participant @pete-2]

Posted by Andrew David on 10/01/2023 18:48:05:

How much would be an acceptable run out in a drill press ?

Mine reads at .03 about at the MT with the chuck removed and it goes to 0.14- 0.16 at the inside of chuck measured with a. precision rod in the chuck .

My chuck is a keyless chuck tightened with hand type!

thanks

Andrew

What's "at the morse taper" ? the outside is irrelevant, it's inside the taper that matters, I just checked my drill, rotating the spindle by hand shows no more than 0.002mm flicker on the dti.

What's a precision rod? I have a feeling you're using silver steel, but the quality of this can vary between suppliers, Rennie supplies good quality silver steel, other budget material I've purchased from reputable suppliers is a noticeable drop in ground finish, I wouldn't recommend this for checking accuracy.

A good quality carbide end mill might be a better bet .

Where you need to place the dti to check runout 👇

[Andrew DavidParticipant @andrewdavid60356]

I don’t own a dial test indicator to check the inside of the spindle

I knocked the chuck head off the arbour and used the dial indicator to check the run out.

A precision rod is what it’s labelled by oozenet who are CNC sellers. I paid about £5.

Do i have to invest in a bit more expensive chuck ? The current chuck came with the machine

Andrew.

[Pete.Participant @pete-2]

What machine is it?

When checking these things you need to assume every part you add to the mix could potentially be the problem, or part of it.

Which is why you check the spindle bore first.

If you measured the arbor without the chuck at 0.03mm then the chuck is probably the cause of most of the problem, I'd just use it as is until you know where the problem is?

No point even worrying about it unless you have the means to test it.

[SillyOldDufferModerator @sillyoldduffer]

Posted by Andrew David on 10/01/2023 21:32:01:

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Do i have to invest in a bit more expensive chuck ?

Andrew.

Not yet. I always recommend cutting metal first, and only measuring to pin down the cause if something is wrong.

The problem with precision measurement is it's dead easy to get wrong, which can lead to bad decisions. For instance, you said 0.03, which I assumed to be 0.03mm – not outrageous on a drill. 0.03 inches is bad news because 0.76mm run-out is serious.

Drill a few dozen holes in free-cutting mild-steel with a new twist-drill that's not too cheap. (Blunt or poorly ground drills behave badly.)

Colour the steel blue with a felt-tip and scribe fine crossing lines to show precisely where the holes need to be. Centre-punch the crossing points, and check the pop is in the right place with an eye-piece. Adjust the pop by drifting it sideways with the punch as necessary to position it accurately on the crossing point. Then align the drill with the pop: if accuracy matters I use a dress-making pin on a blob of plasticine as a wiggler.

Don't expect a twist drill do go much more than 5x diameter deep without veering. A bit of practice is needed before deciding anything is wrong.

Dave

[samuel heywoodParticipant @samuelheywood23031]

I think Rohm lists runout for their various lines of drill chucks. Not THAT impressive from memory & also from memory last time i checked my 'best' drill chuck had about 2 thou runout.

Being a quality firm their figures are likely to be on the conservative side.

Like others have said drilling isn't a precision opperation( I was a bit miffed when i found this out) & i'd expect a decentish jobber drill to 'find it's way home' so to speak.

[Andrew DavidParticipant @andrewdavid60356]

Thanks Everyone for your input! Much appreciate it!

[Les Jones 1Participant @lesjones1]

Andrew has still not specified the units of his 0.03 so we still do not know just how bad it is.

Les.

[Tony Pratt 1Participant @tonypratt1]

Posted by Les Jones 1 on 12/01/2023 08:58:22:

Andrew has still not specified the units of his 0.03 so we still do not know just how bad it is.

Les.

We are assuming MM I think.

Tony

[Andrew DavidParticipant @andrewdavid60356]

Posted by Les Jones 1 on 12/01/2023 08:58:22:

Andrew has still not specified the units of his 0.03 so we still do not know just how bad it is.

Les.

It’s 0.03mm

[Andrew DavidParticipant @andrewdavid60356]

I have a dial indicator but not the test indicator. I think if i angle the dial indicator upwards inside the spindle , i will be able to measure the run out rather at the MT (chuck end). Will try to do this weekend and post the results .

Thanks

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