Brain Teaser

[Tony MarshallParticipant @tonymarshall12301]

North of the border if you walked into a bar you would probably not be interested in whether it was pipe or tube. But if you went into a pub and asked for a tuber you might not get what you expected. It would be piping hot though.
My old car has inner tubes which have seams. Being pedantic I suppose torus would be better term. Sounds like a load of bull.
Please make it stop! Ahh, another pint of medication. Now, where's that pipe thread thread?

[BazyleParticipant @bazyle]

Pipe, from the latin 'pipare' to chirp as in birdsong. Hence to musical instruments based on hollow wood branches in which the outer diameter is inconsequential though internal bore and wall thickness would play a part on tone and tuning.

Tube, from the latin tubus a water pipe but also a type of trumpet.(the general work for trumpet being cornus)

[Michael GilliganParticipant @michaelgilligan61133]

Posted by Simon Williams 3 on 04/03/2016 23:21:41:

Experience tells me that if I make a tubular structure.out of pipe it will be heavier than if I used tube.

Ambiguity? What ambiguity, we all understand each other.

.

Says it all really

If we dared to think about these words before we used them … Would you even consider making a tubular structure out of anything but tube ?

MichaelG.

[Trev67Participant @trev67]

This might help, or not!

http://www.sewerhistory.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/Pipe_Specs.pdf

Trevor

[Neil WyattModerator @neilwyatt]

I won't start on screws and bolts or adhesive and glue…

Neil

[pgk pgkParticipant @pgkpgk17461]

I asked this question locally. Best answer:

"Well pipe is like for water and tube for Smarties. End of."

I also learned that you snort coke through a tube but smoke crack in a pipe

[Ian S CParticipant @iansc]

Or a flexible pipe/tube for conveying water, a hose.

Ian S C

[Gordon WParticipant @gordonw]

When I serving my time I walked past a large factory every day called Jarrow Tube Works. The yard was always piled high with pipes (what eveybody called them ) of all sorts, most large dia.

[Richard MarksParticipant @richardmarks80868]

Who mentioned bolts!

[HopperParticipant @hopper]

Well, if I go to my local steel supplier and ask for a length of half-inch pipe, he will get out a length of half-inch ID (nominal) pipe, such as water pipe etc.

If I ask him for a length of half-inch tube, he will get out a piece of similar looking stuff that is half-inch OD and the ID is left un-noted, and depends on the wall thickness.

The "pipes carry liquids; tubes are structural" line does not hold true when you think of stainless bundy tube used for brake lines and fuel lines on vehicles. The bundy tube carries liquids, yet is measured by the OD and hence is tube not pipe.

But I am afraid the screws vs bolts argument, Neil, is a lost cause. It seems if I go into any local fastener specialist shop and ask for 3/8 UNF by 3 inch hex-head machine set screws, the counterman will invariably come back with bolts; that is the thread does not extend all the way up the shank to the head.

Edited By Hopper on 05/03/2016 11:11:22

[Nigel McBurney 1Participant @nigelmcburney1]

Scaffold poles were poles ,big heavy long wooden ones ,when I was a youngster,!!

[BazyleParticipant @bazyle]

How can ships' ship's boats ship boats while shipping boats in a BOAT?

I won't insult anyone by thinking I need to explain the difference between a ship and a boat.

Edited By Bazyle on 05/03/2016 14:53:54

Edited By Bazyle on 05/03/2016 14:59:31

[pgk pgkParticipant @pgkpgk17461]

Posted by Nigel McBurney 1 on 05/03/2016 13:54:38:

Scaffold poles were poles ,big heavy long wooden ones ,when I was a youngster,!!

..now they're tubes carried by Poles..

<<It seems if I go into any local fastener specialist shop and ask for 3/8 UNF by 3 inch hex-head machine set screws, the counterman will invariably come back with bolts; that is the thread does not extend all the way up the shank to the head.>>

I bought a box of 6" reissner wood screws recebtly. I know they're screws 'cos they have pointy tips. But they are only threaded for half the shank. But if I buy machine screws then someone has always cut the pointy tip off. I think they make dog-point setscrews out of those spare tips.

[NJHParticipant @njh]

Bazyle – have you been at the cooking sherry again ?

Norman

[Michael GilliganParticipant @michaelgilligan61133]

Regarding the definition of a BOAT

**LINK**

MichaelG.

[Neil WyattModerator @neilwyatt]

Posted by Bazyle on 05/03/2016 14:49:55:

How can ships' ship's boats ship boats while shipping boats in a BOAT?

I won't insult anyone by thinking I need to explain the difference between a ship and a boat.

Edited By Bazyle on 05/03/2016 14:53:54

Edited By Bazyle on 05/03/2016 14:59:31

I'm waiting for the traffic announcement;

The M25 is blocked due to a shed load of shedloads of sheds.

In days of sail when a ship was just one configuration of sails and masts there was a clear difference, nowadays "'A boat is what you get into when the ship sinks."

Neil

[SillyOldDufferModerator @sillyoldduffer]

Posted by Neil Wyatt on 04/03/2016 21:44:50:

Ceci n'est pas un tube?

> In the US a tube is a valve

I thought it was the other way round?

Neil

I did an ambiguity! I was trying to say "In the US a tube is what the UK would call a valve, short for thermionic valve."

I'm easily confused:

Q. Which way does a clock turn?

A. It turns anti-clockwise if you are the clock.

[Philip PowellParticipant @philippowell34749]

I was told by an old submarine commander that submarines are boats and ships are targets……

Phil.

[Sam Longley 1Participant @samlongley1]

Posted by pgk pgk on 05/03/2016 09:01:49:

I asked this question locally. Best answer:

"Well pipe is like for water and tube for Smarties. End of."

I also learned that you snort coke through a tube but smoke crack in a pipe

Our local junkie always seems to have a straw stuffed up his nose. Never seen him with a tube!!!

[HopperParticipant @hopper]

Posted by Philip Powell on 05/03/2016 16:31:24:

I was told by an old submarine commander that submarines are boats and ships are targets……

Phil.

And on subs, the pointy end goes at the back.

[Phil WhitleyParticipant @philwhitley94135]

Tube is a hollow structural member of any shape or section.. Because it is used in construction, its most important dimensions are the external dimension, and the wall thickness as an indicator of structural strength.

Pipe is used to convey liquids or gasses.and because of this use, the only important dimension is the internal size, which gives an indication of the carrying capacity of the pipe, and the wall thickness, which gives and indication of the internal pressure the pipe will withstand.

Whilst pipe and tube are in a sense interchangeable terms in conversational English, in engineering the use of the term"pipe" for a hollow structural member, and tube for something that carries a liquid or gas, used to result in a thick ear for the errant trainee or apprentice.

Wanders off mumbling under breath about falling standards and the kids of today etc etc……………………………..

[roy entwistleParticipant @royentwistle24699]

A very short thick walled tube is a washer

[jason udallParticipant @jasonudall57142]

Phil. ..thats handy…

So a 1″ tube will fit inside a 1″ pipe.
Regardless of gauge.
Useful to know.

[jason udallParticipant @jasonudall57142]

And roy..that should be short thick walled pipe…

[Sam Longley 1Participant @samlongley1]

Posted by Phil Whitley on 06/03/2016 15:14:30:

Tube is a hollow structural member of any shape or section.. Because it is used in construction, its most important dimensions are the external dimension, and the wall thickness as an indicator of structural strength.

Pipe is used to convey liquids or gasses.and because of this use, the only important dimension is the internal size, which gives an indication of the carrying capacity of the pipe, and the wall thickness, which gives and indication of the internal pressure the pipe will withstand.

Whilst pipe and tube are in a sense interchangeable terms in conversational English, in engineering the use of the term"pipe" for a hollow structural member, and tube for something that carries a liquid or gas, used to result in a thick ear for the errant trainee or apprentice.

 

Wanders off mumbling under breath about falling standards and the kids of today etc etc……………………………..

You have clearly never used copper pipe for plumbing where ( for instance) you have table X,Y or underground ( think that is it – its been a long time) all with different wall thickness but the same external diameter to suit a standard copper fitting. Changing to wavin flow plastic pipe the outside diam is kept at the same outer dimension as equivalent copper ( ie 15mm etc) but the wall thickness is greater

So that blows your theory out the water

But as the Monty Python team said ", try telling kids of today that– they will never believe you !!!!"

 

Edited By Sam Longley 1 on 06/03/2016 16:31:38

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