Anyone recognise this?

[Jim Patterson 1Participant @jimpatterson1]

Hello folks, I aquired this milling machine recently which is obviously home built. I am trying to identify as much of it as possible and wondered if anyone could help?

https://photos.app.goo.gl/Ly1rphFePKKzviCG9

[Jim Patterson 1Participant @jimpatterson1]

[Jim Patterson 1Participant @jimpatterson1]

[Jim Patterson 1Participant @jimpatterson1]

[Tony Pratt 1Participant @tonypratt1]

Yes looks 'home made' but a lot of work went to it!

Tony

[Mick B1Participant @mickb1]

You can have any angle you want, but getting back to dead-square could be a bit of a game…

[Michael GilliganParticipant @michaelgilligan61133]

I saw the wire, and thought: Nice to find someone using ‘safety’ 110V in the workshop

… Then I saw the mains plug

MichaelG.

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Aside from that ^^^ it looks like it should be lots of fun.

[Clive Brown 1Participant @clivebrown1]

Posted by Michael Gilligan on 08/08/2020 14:15:50:

I saw the wire, and thought: Nice to find someone using ‘safety’ 110V in the workshop

… Then I saw the mains plug

MichaelG.

Isn't it likely to be just "arctic cable" which seems to often come in yellow.

Agree it looks to be a good bit of kit.

[Michael GilliganParticipant @michaelgilligan61133]

Posted by Clive Brown 1 on 08/08/2020 14:27:50:

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Isn't it likely to be just "arctic cable" which seems to often come in yellow.

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Yes … but it also comes in Blue, which is generally preferred for Mains Voltage

MichaelG.

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It does get a little complicated though:

https://www.aci.org.uk/news/aci-delivers-winter-warning-arctic-grade-flexibles

Edited By Michael Gilligan on 08/08/2020 15:39:14

[BazyleParticipant @bazyle]

You may have to trawl through the milling machine pages at Lathes but there can't be many small horizontals that were universal (table rotates). Looks a bit smaller than a Tom Senior but bigger than a Pools. I think somethign very similar to the base machine was shown fully restored at the ME show about 10 years ago, in the upper gallery at Sandown.

[blowlampParticipant @blowlamp]

It looks similar to a Sharp in concept.

Martin.

[VicParticipant @vic]

I’ve got extension leads with both yellow and blue cables. I didn’t know there was any particular convention.

[Howard LewisParticipant @howardlewis46836]

It may be shop made, but it is still useful universal Milling machine.

With all the angular adjustments a mag base, a DTI and some adaptors are going to be necessary accessories!

Howard

[EmgeeParticipant @emgee]

Very useful looking machine for milling and gear cutting, did you get the overarm support for the horizontal spindle ?

Emgee

[Simon Williams 3Participant @simonwilliams3]

Posted by Vic on 08/08/2020 18:47:43:

I’ve got extension leads with both yellow and blue cables. I didn’t know there was any particular convention.

If you google IEC 60309 the colour of the cable relates to the convention of relating working voltage to the socket cover colour for multi-pin outdoor connectors. Formerly BS4343.

I don't know if there is a formalised connection to the colour of the cable sheath, but having worked extensively on construction sites in the UK I know I'd be thrown off site for presenting extension cables not compliant with the colour convention a la IEC 60309.

We also encountered 24 V AC cable and connectors in a pretty lavender colour.

Rgds Simon

[larry phelan 1Participant @larryphelan1]

Over here it,s 110 volts for all site work–Full stop ! Yellow cable.

Blue is used for non-site work, although 110 v is often used in workshops too.

[clogsParticipant @clogs]

it's getting so even 110volt is a rarity on a lot of sites……

they want battery tools now…….

and why not most of the better brands make excellent equipment……

I'm stuck with some nice Hilti drills (4 at diff sizes) and at times u need a proper powered tool for extreme jobs…..

BUT I'd just love a battery model…….too old now to get my money's worth…..

Although I just bought a Milwaukee 3/8 impact wrench, what a revelation that is…..

[Jim Patterson 1Participant @jimpatterson1]

Posted by Emgee on 08/08/2020 19:35:09:

Very useful looking machine for milling and gear cutting, did you get the overarm support for the horizontal spindle ?

Emgee

Perhaps I was a little bit hasty calling it 'home made' It's better than that.

I do have the spindle and support bar for the horizontal mill, all I need to do is wire up a motor and fit a belt, all the pulleys are already there.

Parts of his Tom Senior on ebay looks almost Identical, I wonder if I could fit a Tom Senior head with a quill

 

 

Edited By Jim Patterson 1 on 10/08/2020 14:56:14

[SillyOldDufferModerator @sillyoldduffer]

Posted by Simon Williams 3 on 08/08/2020 19:48:17:

Posted by Vic on 08/08/2020 18:47:43:

I’ve got extension leads with both yellow and blue cables. I didn’t know there was any particular convention.

If you google IEC 60309 the colour of the cable relates to the convention of relating working voltage to the socket cover colour for multi-pin outdoor connectors. Formerly BS4343.

I don't know if there is a formalised connection to the colour of the cable sheath, but having worked extensively on construction sites in the UK I know I'd be thrown off site for presenting extension cables not compliant with the colour convention a la IEC 60309.

We also encountered 24 V AC cable and connectors in a pretty lavender colour.

Rgds Simon

As far as I can find there's no convention or standard in the UK for sheath colour apart from Simon's multi-pin outdoor example.

There's a US house wiring standard where sheath colour relates to conductor size. Same colours as IEC 60309, entirely different meanings.

It appears UK domestic appliance leads can be any colour wanted. Black, White, Grey, Blue, Yellow, Orange, Brown, Red, Stripes, whatever. They can suit the decor! More usefully extension leads could be colour coded to highlight trip hazards, or different colours used to identify ends.

Dave

[Jeff DaymanParticipant @jeffdayman43397]

One suggestion I would make for the red mill would be to route all electrical cables with some good cable clips every few inches along the top motor mount / pulley enclosure plate, to the back of the machine. Otherwise at some point you will get one or both cables tangled in work, around the spindle, a broken belt, etc.

You probably already know this but endmills mounted in drill chucks as seen on the pics can work loose and jam. If you don't have some already you would be wise to get some collets for whatever taper sockets are fitted in your spindles. If they are R-8, so much the better compared to Morse taper or others. Twist drills in drill chucks are fine, endmills need proper collets for safe accurate ops.

When the spindle is running be sure and keep hands hair and clothing well away from the handwheel at the top, it is a major hazard when turning.

Looks to be a very handy machine.

[Nicholas FarrParticipant @nicholasfarr14254]

Posted by SillyOldDuffer on 10/08/2020 15:08:48:

Posted by Simon Williams 3 on 08/08/2020 19:48:17:

Posted by Vic on 08/08/2020 18:47:43:

I’ve got extension leads with both yellow and blue cables. I didn’t know there was any particular convention.

If you google IEC 60309 the colour of the cable relates to the convention of relating working voltage to the socket cover colour for multi-pin outdoor connectors. Formerly BS4343.

I don't know if there is a formalised connection to the colour of the cable sheath, but having worked extensively on construction sites in the UK I know I'd be thrown off site for presenting extension cables not compliant with the colour convention a la IEC 60309.

We also encountered 24 V AC cable and connectors in a pretty lavender colour.

Rgds Simon

As far as I can find there's no convention or standard in the UK for sheath colour apart from Simon's multi-pin outdoor example.

There's a US house wiring standard where sheath colour relates to conductor size. Same colours as IEC 60309, entirely different meanings.

It appears UK domestic appliance leads can be any colour wanted. Black, White, Grey, Blue, Yellow, Orange, Brown, Red, Stripes, whatever. They can suit the decor! More usefully extension leads could be colour coded to highlight trip hazards, or different colours used to identify ends.

Dave

Hi, I've done work in many industrial places and a few civil engineering sites and unless your 110V gear had the yellow Artic cable and any 240V gear had the blue Artic cable, you wouldn't be allowed to use those items, but of course you wouldn't be allowed to use hand power tools unless they were 110V.

Regards Nick.

[Paul KempParticipant @paulkemp46892]

Good grief, only on this forum maybe? Fellow posts a picture of a lovely little mill with tons more versatility than an off the shelf modern option, horizontal spindle, vertical spindle, swivel table etc, asking for any info on what it may be and half the responses are focussed on the colour of the cable. He has only just got it, it's in his own private shed, it's not likely to be taken to a building site, is that really the most important thing? Does yellow Artic cable explode if it's used on 240v rather than 110? Has it got a far inferior insulation value or increased resistance? Come on for goodness sake look at the potential of the machine itself rather than dissing the cable! Who knows the fellow may be intending to scrap the motor, cable and switchgear.

Paul.

[Michael GilliganParticipant @michaelgilligan61133]

Thank you for your observation, Paul

As it was me ‘wot started it’ … perhaps you would like to re-read what I wrote.

MichaelG.

[Paul KempParticipant @paulkemp46892]

Michael,

It was less about "wot u rote" or the spirit in which it was 'rote' but more about what followed and general thread drift on this forum. Fellow just asked for info on his new machine not a critique of the electrical installation, if he wanted an opinion on that he would have asked the question differently?

Paul.

[clogsParticipant @clogs]

JIM,

just got to ur question on the forum…..

what a sweet, super little machine…..I wish I had the chance to own it..

even tho I have a BridgePort J head and Myford VMF…..

greedy perhaps but u cant have to much of a good thing…..

oh u lucky man……have fun….

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