Advice on mobile phone etc

[Old SchoolParticipant @oldschool]

I have had BT round to sort out my internet connection it was slow 18 when measured on a speed checker. When they sorted the problem new line required it gave a speed of 69 according to the engineer my laptop agreed. But my IPad mini and my iPhone both old still only gave 18.

Seems like I need a new phone and iPad mini, I could buy another lathe for what that lot will cost me. What are the options?

[Old SchoolParticipant @oldschool]

[LainchyParticipant @lainchy]

Lot's, from Chester, Sieg, Warco, Myford…..

Ohhhh, you mean phones?!

[pgk pgkParticipant @pgkpgk17461]

Some of us live with 3mb/s on a good day and no mobile signal. Unless you have need to load huge files from your phone regularly then 18mb/s is perfectly practical. You likely have the option of hardwire phone to PC for large file transfers as well.

pgk

[David JuppParticipant @davidjupp51506]

Check what speed WiFi your router or Access Point supports – if that is the bottleneck, updating the client devices won't help.

[John HaineParticipant @johnhaine32865]

Both the Apple devices probably use similar processors and if old that may limit the download speed. If a modern laptop or smartphone give you the higher speed over WiFi it might be worth upgrading.

[Old SchoolParticipant @oldschool]

David

The router is new and it gives the 69 via wifi to my laptop at the other end of the house.

John

Yes they need upgrading, but what are the options other than Apple which cost a fortune.

[OldironParticipant @oldiron]

You will get nowhere near the fixed line speed of your hard wired PC on a mobile device connected via wifi.

I have a high end very fast main PC connected direct to the router, on it I get 210Mbps down & 21.78Mbps up.

On my 5 year old Dell running Win 10 with a Dell wifi dongle that attaches to a special port (not usb) I get 20.3Mbps down and 19.79Mbps up.

My Acer Android one year old gets similar to the Dell.

I am with Virgin media on fibre optic connection to the house. I find that 20Mbps is perfectly fine for normal browsing and small file downloads.

regards

Just checked my Samsung A10 phone and it is only very slightly faster than the Dell or the Acer.

Edited By Oldiron on 20/12/2019 12:21:27

Edited By Oldiron on 20/12/2019 12:26:52

[Jeff DaymanParticipant @jeffdayman43397]

Last year I updated to an Android smartphone, a Motorola Moto E4. Cost was $150 where comparable Apple machines were $700 and up. Bought from Amazon. Works great so far and does all that is required, quite fast. Nice feature of the Moto E4 is the battery is replaceable if need be in a few years. No adhesive foam or glued-in cables as found in other phones. Moto E4 or its' newer current model are worth a look. A lot of phone for a little money. Just my opinion of course.

[SillyOldDufferModerator @sillyoldduffer]

Check what network and speed the devices are actually using. If old they may have been set up to work with an elderly router limited to one of the original Wifi protocols, which are slow and use the overcrowded 2.4GHz band. All devices should elect to use one of the newer protocols, and switch to a less cluttered band or channel while they're at it.

Chaps used to the slow pace of development of mechanical gizmos may be surprised at how quickly electronics are moving. A 5 year old smart phone is out of date, not because it's badly made, but because its technology continued to develop rapidly after it was built. Wifi is a good example. The first implementation of 801.11 appeared in 1997 and ran at 20mb/s in the 2.4GHz band. Just over 10 years later 801.11n delivered up to 300mb/s at 5Ghz. New computers and phones now come with 801.11ac (first available 2014), and might get 1300mb/s at 5GHz. A very new computer might support 801.11ad, and 802.11ax, 802.11ay, and 802.11az are in the pipeline.

Whether these speeds are actually achieved depends on how electrically noisy the location is, and how thick the walls are. Looking at slow Wifo connections with a traffic analyser and sniffer often reveals loud competition from neighbouring networks on the same channel, and man-shouting-in-noisy bar conversations like:

iphone to router – connect me to internet please
router to iphone – what? Say again.
iphone to router – what? Say again
router to iphone – OK, I said say again
iphone to router – connect me to internet
Router to iphone – OK, use this address
iphone to router – what? Say again

etc etc. The link spends more time asking for repeats than transferring information.

I'd have thought 18mbs would be fast enough for most simple purposes. If it's not easy to fix I'd tolerate the problem and be pleasantly surprised by the improvement when those past-it Apple devices are replaced in due course!

Dave

[VicParticipant @vic]

I’ve got an old iPhone and download speed on it is fine. My old iPad when last used was ok as well. I suggest you need to look elsewhere for the problem as I doubt it’s the i devices.

[Old SchoolParticipant @oldschool]

Vic

It is definitely the iPhone and iPad mini, the laptop at the other end of the house is 3 times as fast all on wifi not hard wired.

The internet speed is available in the house on wifi I want to be able to use it.

My modeling interests are all about going fast, no reason for the computer devices not to be fast also.

[JourneymanParticipant @journeyman]

Might be worth going into the phone/tablet settings, remove the old network details and then power down and re-start the phone. Re-make the wifi connections in settings. It may clear out some old setting that has stuck and revitalize the connection.

John

[BazyleParticipant @bazyle]

I borrowed a new £900 Samsung phone and demonstrated 510Mbps but it was literally balanced on top of the router, and 450Mbps around 2m away so phones can do fast. This would be using 5GHz for the wifi link.
Do you need speed?
Streaming a high definition video to a full size TV in MPEG2 format requires about 18Mbps. The newer MPEG4 format needs half that. A phone screen is tiny and uses a lower resolution feed so something about 2Mbps will do.
2.4GHz wifi is usually good for about 110Mbps and gives better range than 5GHz but this is only for a new enough phone. Older devices will be way slower.
Bear in mind when doing speed tests over 350Mbps that many test services are at the limit of their capability and have not caught up with the latest speed capabilities of the network.

The issues people mostly have is older devices, range, blocking by eg foil covered plasterboard, reflection off glass doors when they can 'see' the router, orientation and bad positioning of the router, and competition for the airtime with their neighbours.

The really high bandwidths possible are really intended to be used for multiple devices simultaneously at lower individual rates not one device going flat out.

[Danny M2ZParticipant @dannym2z]

Our local telco just upgraded their network to 5G so my friend is receiving a new Samsung for her Xmas prezzy. Not cheap though!

5G comes to Albury/Wodonga

* Danny M *

[Old SchoolParticipant @oldschool]

Bazyle

You have made a valid point over multiple devices, both our iPad devices are struggling even with the available speed. Look like I am going to have to visit the January sales.

[Neil WyattModerator @neilwyatt]

Posted by pgk pgk on 20/12/2019 11:16:28:

Some of us live with 3mb/s on a good day and no mobile signal.

3Mb/s? Luxury!

When I were a lad we 'ad 28k and were grateful…

[Maurice TaylorParticipant @mauricetaylor82093]

Just got speed of 76Mb/s on my 6 years old ipad mini using Ookla.I don’t think new ipad would be any different.

51Mb/s on a 6 year old Moto G mobile phone.

Edited By Maurice Taylor on 20/12/2019 23:06:52

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