A Lidl annoyed

[Michael GilliganParticipant @michaelgilligan61133]

[Robert Atkinson 2Participant @robertatkinson2]

Looks perfectly fine to me. Correct rounding down & up and indication that the tablet contains 24mg of one drug and 26mg of another.

On Parkside tools not being for professonals, some are specifically not approved for consumer / domestic use. For example welders and plasma cutters because they don’t meet consumer standards for CE / UKCA compliance.

Robert.

[Michael GilliganParticipant @michaelgilligan61133]

[Keith LongParticipant @keithlong89920]

[BazyleParticipant @bazyle]

Well there was one left in my local lidl on Tuesday but I resisted the temptation.

The 3.2mm is a reasonable choice even as metric as it would grip 1/8″ and a lot small tools for Dremel are made to that size (er well I’ve not actually measured any) but some 6mm collets aren’t so happy on 1/4″ router bits and the grindstones intended for die-grinders.
Now I wonder if my recent purchases of ‘1/4″ ‘ tooling is actually supplied as 6mm. Must get the micrometer out tomorrow.

 

[Michael GilliganParticipant @michaelgilligan61133]

[Robert Atkinson 2Participant @robertatkinson2]

[Michael GilliganParticipant @michaelgilligan61133]

Thanks for your explanation, Robert … although I remain not entirely convinced

The dual marking just seems to add ‘noise’

MichaelG.

[still taking the tablets]

Ref. https://bnf.nice.org.uk/drugs/sacubitril-with-valsartan/

[howardbParticipant @howardb]

[Michael GilliganParticipant @michaelgilligan61133]

[VicParticipant @vic]

[Robert Atkinson 2Participant @robertatkinson2]

How much did you early birds pay for your grinders?
I’was late to the party but picked one up, with case, for £16.99 this morning.

Robert.

[Michael GilliganParticipant @michaelgilligan61133]

Like you, Robert … I paid £16.99

Seems like jolly good value at that price-point !

MichaelG.

[VicParticipant @vic]

Yes, £16.99 for me as well.

[Russell EberhardtParticipant @russelleberhardt48058]

[Martin of WickParticipant @martinofwick]

Made (manufactured) in Germany – Ho Ho! you make joke, I laugh, Ha Ha!

Designed and specified in Germany – quite likely

QA’d to German standards – possibly

Support and warranty service in Germany – self evidently

Badged as German  ‘made’ – by implication

Manufactured or  ‘made’  – in A N other place (be brave and make a guess) – the price tells you!

No? go and find out how much you will pay for a Kress 1050 router spindle, compare and contrast the quality. That is an item that is actually manufactured  in Germany, as opposed to badged as ‘German’.

[Michael GilliganParticipant @michaelgilligan61133]

Worth a browse: Grizzly site

Start

MichaelG.

[Robert Atkinson 2Participant @robertatkinson2]

Parkside are being disingenuous. I don’t have the die grinder to hand but I know it had a solid white factory symbol and a German address on it. On MEDICAL devices a solid black factory symbol indicates the manufacturer. I do have a Parkside digital caliper to hand. It also has a white factory mark. In this case the instructions say the German company is the importer and the manufacturer is in China.
I’m very confident the die grinder was made in China as well but will check when I get a minute.

By the way the £3.99 plastic digital caliper was bought for a specific purpose – checking the size of cells (a.k.a batteries) You really don’t want to measure a lithium cell with metallic caliper.

Robert.

[Robert Atkinson 2Participant @robertatkinson2]

I got the die grinder out. Parkside are being VERY disingenuous.

As I said before, under the medial stndards for CE a solid factory symbol (usually black) denotes the manufacturer. The hve put a white factory symbol next to a German address. This implies it was manufactured in Germany.  However there is some greek (literally) above the address that when translated says “Importer”.
Why greek? Because this is the UK version with a BS 1363 “13A” plug. They use this plug in Cyprus.
While it is not a leagl requirement for the country of origin to be declared on this type of goods, it is illegal to deliberately or recklesly mislead consumers over where an item is made.
I consider this misleading. Unlike the plastic digital caliper the manual says nothing about the country of origin.

I was also a bit disappointed to discover the 3.2mmcollet is in fact just an adaptor thet goes inside the 6mm collet.
The declaration on vibration is interesting. Very precise at 0.709 m/s2. Shame the uncertanty is 1.5m/s2
Measuring to the nearest thou with a ruler marked every 1.5″.

Robert.

[Martin of WickParticipant @martinofwick]

Come on Robert, the dogs in the street know where this Darkside stuff is really made! (irrespective of any dubious badging that will only deceive those that want to be deceived).

Were you genuinely expecting a £17 hobby grinder spindle to have been manufactured in Germany (or anywhere else in Europe)? Would that it were true, on that basis we could crush the Chinese economy within 6 months!

My advice, as you have been so shamefully treated, is to return the item to Lidl stating that you have been ‘deliberately and recklessly’ mislead by said scoundrels and vagabonds.  I have no doubt they will happily provide a full refund. You can put the refund towards a Kress spindle, at only twenty times the grinder price (but at least it will have been made in Germany).

[Robert Atkinson 2Participant @robertatkinson2]

I know full well were they were made. I’m just posting FACTUAL information. From earlier posts on this thread it appears other forum users have been mislead and were saying on the forum they are german made.

Please don’t shoot the messenger.

[Gerard O’TooleParticipant @gerardotoole60348]

The CE mark does not, and has never, implied that the item is made in the EU. And the factory symbol is not, in any way , a part of the CE mark.

All items sold within the EU do have to supply the name and address of the ‘responsible person’ which would usually be the importer. But I don’t think that information has to be affixed onto the item. Many Chinese manufacturers supply the name and address on a paper leaflet in the packaging.

[Martin of WickParticipant @martinofwick]

I certainly agree the device labeling is disingenuous, but ‘deliberately and recklessly’  might warrant a slightly higher test.

They do not claim the tool is made in Germany ( that would fit ‘deliberately misleading’ ), but they do not state where it is made for some reason (which might be ‘reckless’ if tools from a particular country posed a hazard, for example).

I also find it disappointing that stating country of manufacture for an item is not a legal requirement. I am sure it was once.

[Robert Atkinson 2Participant @robertatkinson2]

That would be “deliberately OR recklessly” not and. I don’t know which it is but using an icon used in another directive to indicate the manufacturer next to the german address (in english) of the importer with the label “importer” in greek  above it is certainly one or the other. Why would you use a factory icon for an importer.

IIRC the requirement for country of manufacture was dropped wenf CE was introduced. I think the reasoning was if it meets thee standards it shouldn’t matter where it is made. It’s also an equality issue.

Robert.

[john fletcher 1Participant @johnfletcher1]

Recently a friend showed me his Nibbler bought from Lidl some time ago, I was impressed how well it cut thin sheet steel. He said they are available on the net, but you don’t get the 3 years warranty on the net, so I’ll wait. I have a Lidl die grinder and might follow Martin idea and buy some Katsu type collets to go with it.  John

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