A Lidl annoyed

[Michael Gilligan]

On Michael Gilligan Said:

On Bazyle Said:

I see it has 3.2 and 6mm collets – are these actually 1/4 and 1/4 […]

Most unlikely, Iwould think

🙂
MihaelG.

I presume that Bazyle was actually concerned by the possible mis-representation of 3.175 mm as 3.2 … a reasonable concern when we’re talking collets.

Just for fun though, Bazyle … what do you make of this :

[ lunatics in charge of the asylum … or what ? ]

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MichaelG.

[Robert Atkinson 2Participant @robertatkinson2]

Looks perfectly fine to me. Correct rounding down & up and indication that the tablet contains 24mg of one drug and 26mg of another.

On Parkside tools not being for professonals, some are specifically not approved for consumer / domestic use. For example welders and plasma cutters because they don’t meet consumer standards for CE / UKCA compliance.

Robert.

[Robert Atkinson 2]

On Robert Atkinson 2 Said:

Looks perfectly fine to me. Correct rounding down & up and […]

But why waste space printing the rounded numbers on the box … if the tenths are accurate ?

MichaelG.

[Michael Gilligan]

On Michael Gilligan Said:

On Keith Long Said:

The Chester (Greyhound Trading Estate) branch had several of the die grinders in stock this morning

Thanks, Keith … it may be worth a drive tomorrow

MichaelG.

Hi Michael-it probably won’t be, according to the Lidl website the only stores open tomorrow are those INSIDE the M25, the rest are shut in England and Wales

Keith

[BazyleParticipant @bazyle]

Well there was one left in my local lidl on Tuesday but I resisted the temptation.

The 3.2mm is a reasonable choice even as metric as it would grip 1/8″ and a lot small tools for Dremel are made to that size (er well I’ve not actually measured any) but some 6mm collets aren’t so happy on 1/4″ router bits and the grindstones intended for die-grinders.
Now I wonder if my recent purchases of ‘1/4″ ‘ tooling is actually supplied as 6mm. Must get the micrometer out tomorrow.

 

[Keith Long]

On Keith Long Said:

On Michael Gilligan Said:

On Keith Long Said:

The Chester (Greyhound Trading Estate) branch had several of the die grinders in stock this morning

Thanks, Keith … it may be worth a drive tomorrow

MichaelG.

Hi Michael-it probably won’t be, according to the Lidl website the only stores open tomorrow are those INSIDE the M25, the rest are shut in England and Wales

Keith

Thanks for the News-update, Keith … That’s saved me wasting a couple of gallons of Petrol.

MichaelG.

 

[Michael Gilligan]

On Michael Gilligan Said:

On Robert Atkinson 2 Said:

Looks perfectly fine to me. Correct rounding down & up and […]

But why waste space printing the rounded numbers on the box … if the tenths are accurate ?

MichaelG.

Because 24mg / 26mg is the common name of the drug.
Same as a car does not say 1.97l on the boot, it says 2l. The legal description has to be more accurate. There may be a change in tax / licencing etc at 2l. I don’t know that drug but it’s possible that there are additional restrictions (maybe in another country) for a combined total active content over 50mg. They would have to have target content less that to allow for manufacturing accuracy. There are stranger laws. Naproxen Sodium is a prescreption only medication in the UK execpt for the 250mg tablet AND you are female aged between 15 and 50. In the USA it’s uncontrolled.

Robert.

[Michael GilliganParticipant @michaelgilligan61133]

Thanks for your explanation, Robert … although I remain not entirely convinced

The dual marking just seems to add ‘noise’

MichaelG.

[still taking the tablets]

Ref. https://bnf.nice.org.uk/drugs/sacubitril-with-valsartan/

[Russell Eberhardt]

On Russell Eberhardt Said:

Many tools sold under the PARKSIDE name are made by Grizzly Tools in Germany.  I have bought spare parts online for my brush cutter from grizzlytools.shop, including a new gearbox at a very reasonable price.

Russell

 

Manufacturer of Parkside Power Tools: The Einhell Group
Parkside power tools are manufactured by the Einhell Group, a German multinational company with a long history in producing high-quality tools. The Einhell Group is a leader in the global market, providing a wide range of power tools, garden equipment, and home improvement products. The company has earned a reputation for its commitment to innovation, quality, and affordability and is the leading DIY tool brand in Europe.

Some of the IC powered Parkside garden power tools sold by Lidl are made by Sheppach, again in Germany.

Batteries and chargers for the 20 volt series for power tools and garden equipment are widely available in the larger Lidl stores.

We currently have 4x 4 ah and 6x 2 ah batteries, as we decided to standardise on the Parkside batteries as we previously had a mish-mash of several different makes of garden and workshop power tools with different batteries that were not interchangeable, and have not yet, in 4 years, had a battery failure.

 

[Keith Long]

On Keith Long Said:

The Chester (Greyhound Trading Estate) branch had several of the die grinders in stock this morning

There must be a lot of Dies need Grinding, around Chester … I bought the penultimate one this morning.

MichaelG.

[Michael Gilligan]

On Michael Gilligan Said:

On Keith Long Said:

The Chester (Greyhound Trading Estate) branch had several of the die grinders in stock this morning

There must be a lot of Dies need Grinding, around Chester … I bought the penultimate one this morning.

MichaelG.

There seem to be lots of Dies that need grinding in quite a few areas! 😅

[Robert Atkinson 2Participant @robertatkinson2]

How much did you early birds pay for your grinders?
I’was late to the party but picked one up, with case, for £16.99 this morning.

Robert.

[Michael GilliganParticipant @michaelgilligan61133]

Like you, Robert … I paid £16.99

Seems like jolly good value at that price-point !

MichaelG.

[VicParticipant @vic]

Yes, £16.99 for me as well.

[howardb]

On howardb Said:

On Russell Eberhardt Said:

Many tools sold under the PARKSIDE name are made by Grizzly Tools in Germany.  I have bought spare parts online for my brush cutter from grizzlytools.shop, including a new gearbox at a very reasonable price.

Russell

 

Manufacturer of Parkside Power Tools: The Einhell Group

Well, we agree that they are made in Germany, but you might be interested in the certificate of conformity from one of the 20V series of power tools. I have a number of different tools from this series and they all had similar information.  I don’t have any of their mains operated power tools so they might be manufactured elsewhere.

Russell

 

[Martin of WickParticipant @martinofwick]

Made (manufactured) in Germany – Ho Ho! you make joke, I laugh, Ha Ha!

Designed and specified in Germany – quite likely

QA’d to German standards – possibly

Support and warranty service in Germany – self evidently

Badged as German  ‘made’ – by implication

Manufactured or  ‘made’  – in A N other place (be brave and make a guess) – the price tells you!

No? go and find out how much you will pay for a Kress 1050 router spindle, compare and contrast the quality. That is an item that is actually manufactured  in Germany, as opposed to badged as ‘German’.

[Michael GilliganParticipant @michaelgilligan61133]

Worth a browse: Grizzly site

Start

MichaelG.

[Robert Atkinson 2Participant @robertatkinson2]

Parkside are being disingenuous. I don’t have the die grinder to hand but I know it had a solid white factory symbol and a German address on it. On MEDICAL devices a solid black factory symbol indicates the manufacturer. I do have a Parkside digital caliper to hand. It also has a white factory mark. In this case the instructions say the German company is the importer and the manufacturer is in China.
I’m very confident the die grinder was made in China as well but will check when I get a minute.

By the way the £3.99 plastic digital caliper was bought for a specific purpose – checking the size of cells (a.k.a batteries) You really don’t want to measure a lithium cell with metallic caliper.

Robert.

[Robert Atkinson 2Participant @robertatkinson2]

I got the die grinder out. Parkside are being VERY disingenuous.

As I said before, under the medial stndards for CE a solid factory symbol (usually black) denotes the manufacturer. The hve put a white factory symbol next to a German address. This implies it was manufactured in Germany.  However there is some greek (literally) above the address that when translated says “Importer”.
Why greek? Because this is the UK version with a BS 1363 “13A” plug. They use this plug in Cyprus.
While it is not a leagl requirement for the country of origin to be declared on this type of goods, it is illegal to deliberately or recklesly mislead consumers over where an item is made.
I consider this misleading. Unlike the plastic digital caliper the manual says nothing about the country of origin.

I was also a bit disappointed to discover the 3.2mmcollet is in fact just an adaptor thet goes inside the 6mm collet.
The declaration on vibration is interesting. Very precise at 0.709 m/s2. Shame the uncertanty is 1.5m/s2
Measuring to the nearest thou with a ruler marked every 1.5″.

Robert.

[Martin of WickParticipant @martinofwick]

Come on Robert, the dogs in the street know where this Darkside stuff is really made! (irrespective of any dubious badging that will only deceive those that want to be deceived).

Were you genuinely expecting a £17 hobby grinder spindle to have been manufactured in Germany (or anywhere else in Europe)? Would that it were true, on that basis we could crush the Chinese economy within 6 months!

My advice, as you have been so shamefully treated, is to return the item to Lidl stating that you have been ‘deliberately and recklessly’ mislead by said scoundrels and vagabonds.  I have no doubt they will happily provide a full refund. You can put the refund towards a Kress spindle, at only twenty times the grinder price (but at least it will have been made in Germany).

[Robert Atkinson 2Participant @robertatkinson2]

I know full well were they were made. I’m just posting FACTUAL information. From earlier posts on this thread it appears other forum users have been mislead and were saying on the forum they are german made.

Please don’t shoot the messenger.

[Gerard O’TooleParticipant @gerardotoole60348]

The CE mark does not, and has never, implied that the item is made in the EU. And the factory symbol is not, in any way , a part of the CE mark.

All items sold within the EU do have to supply the name and address of the ‘responsible person’ which would usually be the importer. But I don’t think that information has to be affixed onto the item. Many Chinese manufacturers supply the name and address on a paper leaflet in the packaging.

[Martin of WickParticipant @martinofwick]

I certainly agree the device labeling is disingenuous, but ‘deliberately and recklessly’  might warrant a slightly higher test.

They do not claim the tool is made in Germany ( that would fit ‘deliberately misleading’ ), but they do not state where it is made for some reason (which might be ‘reckless’ if tools from a particular country posed a hazard, for example).

I also find it disappointing that stating country of manufacture for an item is not a legal requirement. I am sure it was once.

[Robert Atkinson 2Participant @robertatkinson2]

That would be “deliberately OR recklessly” not and. I don’t know which it is but using an icon used in another directive to indicate the manufacturer next to the german address (in english) of the importer with the label “importer” in greek  above it is certainly one or the other. Why would you use a factory icon for an importer.

IIRC the requirement for country of manufacture was dropped wenf CE was introduced. I think the reasoning was if it meets thee standards it shouldn’t matter where it is made. It’s also an equality issue.

Robert.

[john fletcher 1Participant @johnfletcher1]

Recently a friend showed me his Nibbler bought from Lidl some time ago, I was impressed how well it cut thin sheet steel. He said they are available on the net, but you don’t get the 3 years warranty on the net, so I’ll wait. I have a Lidl die grinder and might follow Martin idea and buy some Katsu type collets to go with it.  John

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