4 cylinder rotary valve

4 cylinder rotary valve

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  • #843291
    AStroud
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      @astroud

      Having had some success building engines with rotary valves, namely my single cylinder

      https://youtu.be/gVItba_ImAM

      and my Coomber engine

      https://youtu.be/iVgsvn_kNdE

      I thought I would try something a bit different. This will be a freelance 4 cylinder engine using an overhead rotary valve driven by a timing belt. Cylinders are 22mm copper tube, yes I know not the best material friction wise but should be OK for a model and the tube has been knocking about in my scrap tray for too long.

      The crankshaft is already made, 0.75 stroke, so I am aiming for a relatively high speed engine. So far the build is proving to be a test of making / machining 4 identical items or dimensions, something I have not really needed to be concerned with when making single cylinders.

      4 cylinder_1

      If there is interest I will post more progress reports.

      Andrew

      #843304
      JasonB
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        @jasonb

        Always interested to see people actually making things.

        Fid you skim the inside of the tubes or are you hoping the drawn diameter will be OK?

        #843353
        AStroud
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          @astroud

          The internal surface finish is quite ok, but as you say I might be found out on the consistency of the internal diameter, I will find that out when I make the pistons. Following your experience I make my models without piston rings but if I have a id issue then I might use a larger clearance and O rings. Failing that then I would make new cylinders out of brass or aluminum as I don’t fancy my chances of skimming the copper tube.

          Andrew

          #843609
          old mart
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            @oldmart

            An expanding lap would be a way of truing up the bores while taking the minimum of metal out. I have recently seen an advert or article about lapping compound which is easy to remove, but cannot remember where.

            #844198
            AStroud
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              @astroud

              Some progress to show, I have made ties between the head and deck, supports and a centre bearing.

              The crankshaft will be run on ball bearings and I next need to make a couple of bearing housings which will be fixed to each support. These will allow some alignment adjustment with the centre bearing. In truth I don’t think a centre bearing is needed but I think it would look a bit odd without. I have a separate shell for the bearing which is yet to be split and I hope it will also position the crankshaft axially.

              4 cylinder 110426

              The head is a bit blocky at the moment, may try some shaping later on.

              Andrew

               

              #844513
              Peter Hoerlein
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                @peterhoerlein37724

                Thanks for the comment.  You build some interesting engines.  Nice work too.

                #844564
                AStroud
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                  @astroud

                  Thanks for the comment.

                  Bearing housings are made, next will be the connecting rods and pistons, you will notice I am leaving the challenging rotary valve to last !

                  There might be a brief hiatus in progress. What started off as having new smart meters installed has resulted in our gas supply being cut off, condemned as the service pressure is too low at c. 15mbar. The theory is the new plastic liner fitted 12 months ago in the pipe from the street to the meter has kinked or collapsed. We might get away with a new section of pipe, worst case is all new piping and a new meter position which means big disruption in my workshop where the meter is.

                  Andrew

                   

                  #846869
                  AStroud
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                    @astroud

                    My gas supply all sorted apart from the remote display which refuses to show any data, annoying as it was the whole point of the exercise, the supplier is still troubleshooting.

                    Bearing housings, connecting rods and pistons have been made and happy to report the crank turns freely when all is assembled. I didn’t really think out the mounting as now the big end bolts hit the deck on BDC and there also isn’t really space for a decent sized flywheel. I am going to make 2 spacers to gain some height and hope they will not look too much as an afterthought (which they are).

                    I have yet to fit the centre bearing which will also axially locate the crankshaft

                     

                    pistons

                    assembly

                     

                    Andrew

                    #848619
                    AStroud
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                      @astroud

                      I managed to solve my clearance issue by making a recess for the big end cap bolts and using socket head screws. The centre bearing is assembled and this sets the crank axial location and it turns over without any binding which is pleasing. I have fitted a flywheel and made a wooden base.

                      Next will be the rotary valve, I have in mind a valve turning at half engine speed but want to mock it up before cutting any metal. Still contemplating sculpturing the cylinder head, possibly simple channels to pick out 4 raised squares on each side.

                      4 cylinder 17052026

                      Andrew

                      #850947
                      AStroud
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                        @astroud

                        I am happy to say the engine is a runner

                        https://youtu.be/tbSeEa-HI6c

                        #851042
                        alecs
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                          @alecs

                          It’s a little beauty!

                          #851297
                          old mart
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                            @oldmart

                            No problems at all with the pistons and cylinder bores, then, I presume they has a drop of oil before running.

                            How about a picture of the rotary valve, then.

                            #851302
                            AStroud
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                              @astroud

                              I haven’t inspected the pistons since it started running but performance wise I have not noticed anything. AI tells me it is a very poor material pairing for running together but hopefully ok for light model running.

                              You can just see in the video on the top of the head there are 5 blanking screws for oiling points positioned between the valve cutaways and oil  reaches the cylinders from the valve chamber.

                              I have attached a picture of the valve, very simple but lots of agonizing before I made the cuts  to ensure the correct orientation for the ‘firing’ order.

                              rotary valve

                              Andrew

                              #852520
                              old mart
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                                @oldmart

                                Simple cuts, but I understand your agonising, more than I could manage.

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