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30 April 2017 at 20:14 #8693
Dennis Beukelman
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I have come into possession of some castings which I cannot identify, any help?
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30 April 2017 at 20:14 #295694
Dennis Beukelman
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I recently purchased a set of castings and with them came a mystery set of wheels cylinders and axles along with a bunch of other bits. Since they were in a separate box I believe them to be for the same locomotive.

Can anyone identify the Make, model of the locomotive and possibly the maker of the castings and subsequent plan (which I would like to obtain)

The particulars

I have 17 wheels

4@ – 2.75" across 12 spoke
6@ – 3.125 across 12 spoke
5@ – 5.25" across 14 spoke
2@ – 5.375 across 14 spoke with no flange

The cylinders are substantial and have "LN 2" in raised letters on them.

Anyone?

Edited By Neil Wyatt on 02/05/2017 21:51:29
2 May 2017 at 03:32 #295943
Dennis Beukelman
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Did I put this question in the wrong forum?
2 May 2017 at 09:13 #295958
julian atkins
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Hi Dennis,

My first guess was that your castings are for the old Clarkson/Jackson 3.5"g SR Lord Nelson. The cylinder casting would be right, but the driving wheels on a Lord Nelson have 21 spokes so that rules that out.

I cannot find any Reeves driving wheel castings that fit your size and number of spokes.

Cheers,

Julian
2 May 2017 at 09:24 #295961
IanT
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No Dennis, this is a useful place to start but I suspect no one can identify them for you, so you haven't had any feedback.

It's not my gauge but I'd guess a 3.5" Pacific of some kind – so you could start there and look at the available plans. I'm assuming 3.5" but you could check the width of that front bogie to be sure. "LN" maybe LNER?

That's about all the help I can provide but if you can narrow it down a bit – then I'm sure others here can be more helpful.

Regards,

IanT
2 May 2017 at 09:25 #295962
IanT
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Sorry – Julian got there first… (I'm a very slow typer)

IanT

Edited By IanT on 02/05/2017 09:27:46
2 May 2017 at 16:47 #296037
Dennis Beukelman
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Hi all

.I have contacted the A.J. Reeves company and they state it is not one of theirs and also suggest it maybe for a 3.5" Castle type

From the size of the bogie I too think it is for a 3.5" locomotive.

I thought for sure there were enough parts there for someone to identify it.

I should note there are 3 pairs of axles (6 in all) but I am not sure if any are missing. The springs are also unique as is the boiler plate (with no Superheater hole)

Dennis
2 May 2017 at 18:08 #296049
Steambuff
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Hi,

Take a look in the Blackgates catalogue, the last 4 or so pages gives the details of the wheels they sell. (It also contains details of all the loco's that they provide parts for)

You can download the catalogue off their web site.

Dave
3 May 2017 at 01:12 #296114
julian atkins
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Hi Dennis,

The wheels wont be correct for GWR Castles as again the number of spokes are incorrect on the driving wheels, and the crank webs on the wheels would be greater due to the large 'throw' of the GWR Castles.

The cylinders are also the wrong shape for a GWR Castle loco.

I think what you have is perhaps a box of bits that may not be connected and just odds and ends.

Sizes of the piston valve cylinders might help a bit more.

Cheers,

Julian
3 May 2017 at 07:18 #296120
Niels Abildgaard
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14 spokes points to a 1.4meter driver prototype i e a 5 inch gauge model of a WD austerity thing.

That also explain the flangeless wheels
3 May 2017 at 09:00 #296146
Brian Oldford
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Posted by Niels Abildgaard on 03/05/2017 07:18:15:

14 spokes points to a 1.4meter driver prototype i e a 5 inch gauge model of a WD austerity thing.

That also explain the flangeless wheels

I seem to recall the prototype WD 2-8-0s where flanged throughout. The WD 2-10-0s did have a flange-less centre driving wheels.
3 May 2017 at 09:25 #296152
Martin Kyte
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I can see a copper top chimney so it suggests GWR but you have only outside cylinders so it cannot be a castle.

Hall or Manors would fit if the driving wheels had more spokes.

regards Martin
3 May 2017 at 18:02 #296226
Dennis Beukelman
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Here are some pictures of the cylinder (Piston valve opening is approx. 3/4 inch
3 May 2017 at 18:03 #296227
Dennis Beukelman
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Here is a picture of the chimneys
3 May 2017 at 18:03 #296228
Dennis Beukelman
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Here is a pic of some of the various bits and pieces
3 May 2017 at 22:32 #296262
julian atkins
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As stated previously I believe what you have is a box of odds and ends.

I am quite sure in the light of the further pics posted that the cylinders are Clackson/Jackson castings for the 3.5"g SR Lord Nelson. This design is extrememly rare.

The wheel castings – some might be for the above for the tender and front bogie, but not the driving wheels.

I have a 4 cylindered Jackson 3.5"g GWR King. The drawings are very very difficult. I would not recommend any of the Jackson/Clarkson designs unless you are a masochist or know a great deal about the fullsize example being attempted in miniature.

The abscence of the middle inside cylinder block for the Lord Nelson again suggests this is a box of odds and ends.

Cheers,

Julian
3 May 2017 at 22:42 #296265
Dennis Beukelman
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Thanks Julian

Darn thing had me wondering, since I am just starting out in this game, I am not willing to take on anything too difficult. I guess I'll box it up and put it on a LOW shelf.

Dennis
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