Advice sought on buying an angle grinder as a replacement for a power hacksaw

Advice sought on buying an angle grinder as a replacement for a power hacksaw

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  • #847912
    Greensands
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      @greensands

      I have recently been giving some thought to replacing my trusty Blackgate’s power hacksaw with an angle grinder in order to free up some floor space in the workshop. Typical use of the hacksaw over the years has been cutting suitable lengths of bms bar stock but I wonder if the time has come for making a change. Having never owned an angle grinder I would appreciated some advice on the matter and any suggestions as to what might a suitable Make/Type/Size of angle grinder for doing the jobwould be most welcomed.  There would also the question of specifying suitable cutting discs for the work.

      #847917
      Peter Cook 6
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        @petercook6

        Don’t. Sparks everywhere, no real accuracy on cuts.

        #847921
        Nigel Graham 2
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          @nigelgraham2

          For cutting bar stock a hacksaw or bandsaw is far better than an angle-grinder.

          No risk of fires from sparks. (In a professional setting using an angle-grinder would be considered “hot working” for safety reasons in some situations.)

          No abrasive grit all over the place.

          Far quieter than a grinder.

          Usually larger maximum capacity without needing turn the work over.

          And as Peter says, far more accurate.

          If you really must use abrasive cutting, buy a “chop saw” using large discs rather than a freehand grinder.

          #847929
          Speedy Builder5
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            @speedybuilder5

            As above, but I have a chop saw with metal cutting blade which is good for thin sections up to about 1cm thick, much thicker and you have to go gently.

            Bob

            #847936
            JasonB
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              @jasonb

              Go for a small portable bandsaw, can be picked up with one hand and put under a bench if you are tight for room and at 100×100 capacity far greater than you will get with a small 115mm grinder. A 230mm would eventually cut through 100mm bar if you cut from both sides but they take a lot of hanging onto and you will have a big bill for worn discs

              They will also do the job in a fraction of the time that hacksaw will.

              #847961
              JA
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                @ja

                An angle grinder strikes me as a very dangerous option compared with a band saw. I get very frightened by most hand held power tools.

                JA

                #847963
                Dalboy
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                  @dalboy

                  I own a small bandsaw which covers 90% of my needs I also own a small hand held grinder which I really only use when cutting any plate work that I may need again this is only used on very rare occasions.

                  The band saw I have is bench mounted but can be detached if I ever need to cut shorter pieces which the vice will not hold.

                  As already said the bandsaw leaves a better cut which takes little clean up

                  Mine bandsaw is this ONE ideal as it takes up little space, I brought mine from screwfix

                  #847965
                  Clive Foster
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                    @clivefoster55965

                    How big is the largest bar stock you plan on cutting?

                    Up to an inch , maybe inch and a half, a 4 1/2″ or 5″ angle grinder will do well enough on steel given a steady hand and proper work support. In practice best to take your workmate or equivalent outside to hold the job rather than spray sparks all over the place.

                    I have a cheap workmate knock off with a small 3 1/2″ vice semi-permanently fixed via wing nuts and a square block of wood for such messy take it outside duties. Having sufficient space in the shop it stays permanently up to regularly come in handy for holding jobs that aren’t going to work well on the bench.

                    You can get baby chop saw equivalent devices to hold a small angle grinder. Which work well enough providing you avoid the ultra cheapie end of the market. Picked up mine from LiDL mumble-mumble years ago when needing an easily transportable cutter for an off site job. Which it did fine but I don’t have an in workshop use for it so its primary duty is now to help hold down one of the higher up shelves.

                    Disk consumption will be considerable but the thin 1 mm disks aren’t silly expensive in bulk. The economics depend on how many cuts you expect to make. Handwaving estimate by extrapolation from my normal use suggests something of the order of 8 to 10 square inches of cut per disk might be possible.

                    If you want to cut sheet the sliding foot thingies that convert an angle grinder into a sort of circular saw are quite effective. The uber cheapie I got for “that one job” works better than the cost implied but, being universal, some (simple) modification was needed. Actually the thing would never have assembled as supplied.

                    The 9″, 230 mm, angle grinders are realistically limited to thick plate and wide bar as being unsafe to hand hold. Basically a work geometry mimicking the paving slabs and similar they are designed to cut. A slide with spark catcher is essential. I have some 12″ x 1″ bar that will have to be cut that way some time in the future. It should be an interesting experience. But not one I’m looking forward to.

                    A grinder is only safe to use on steel or iron.

                    Chop saws are effective, noisy, messy (another outside job) and quite large.

                    I’m unconvinced by the hand held bandsaws suggested by Jason. I picked up one about 3 years back, LiDL again, for an offsite job that, fortunately, didn’t happen. Found it rather heavy and unbalanced making it difficult to use.

                    Fine for a younger, stronger man I guess but a bit too much for this old fart to handle.

                    For bar cutting I reckon it would be best sat on a pivot base producing something similar to the Fermi small bandsaws discussed in a previous thread. With or without base such devices are on the large side for keeping on the shelf and lifting out when needed. I’d fit a hefty pull out shelf with flip down legs under the bench for storage. Pull out to use, slide back in to store.

                    Clive

                    #847967
                    John Haine
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                      @johnhaine32865

                      I have a small Femi bandsaw which is excellent for cutting both bar stock and plate (with a table). Highly recommended – there are many similar available. Best advice for angle grinder is don’t! (For this purpose anyway.)

                      #847968
                      Paul Lousick
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                        @paullousick59116

                        I have a small bandsaw, similar to a Femi and several angle grinders and always quicker and easier to use the bandsaw in most cases. It is quieter, faster and less messy that an angle grinder. It is light and takes up little floor space and sits on a milk crate as a stand. No problem holding and cutting a piece of 110mm square or round steel. (try doing that with an angle grinder). I have also added a table to use it in a vertical configuration.

                        Bandsaw

                        #847973
                        Peter Cook 6
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                          @petercook6

                          I would second Paul and John’s recommendation to get a bandsaw that can take a table for vertical use. I have a very small FEMI SN105XL saw with a table that came from Stakesys, and I often use the table to rough out more intricate shapes.

                          #847974
                          JasonB
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                            @jasonb

                            Clive the sort of “portable” bandsaw I was talking of is the Femi which I also have, similar style can be had for less. Not the Lidl type which are essentially handheld machines though you can get “chop” stands for some of them. The Lidl/Parkside one is available with the chop type stand.

                            I have not got round to making a table for my Femi as the throat is a bit limiting anyway so am happy to grab the 115mm grinder when sheet & plate need cutting. Having spent a lot of time on building sites I am quite happy using them but if anyone is getting on a bit and your grip is not so good then freehand may not be the way to go.

                            With the right discs you can also cut aluminium and other non ferrous metals like brass as well as stainless steel

                            Tid1

                            #847975
                            JasonB
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                              @jasonb

                              I mentioned earlier that the bandsaw would be faster than the Blackgate saw and so it is. This is one of the Blackgates found on Youtube, looks to have a new blade and if that is a standard hacksaw blade then 3/4 material being cut

                              This is the Femi with a quite well use dblade cutting 20mm EN1A. Light pressure from one hand on the handle and none of those exposed chains and belts to worry about. Cut in 1/10th the time

                              #847976
                              Dave Halford
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                                @davehalford22513

                                Angle grinder

                                Not neighbour friendly ear defenders required. Will ruin any glass/plastic within a 2m range, has been known to burn holes in jeans (guess how I know.) Don’t damage the discs.

                                Chop saw

                                This does not mean a B&Q stocked saw that cuts the occasional screw in wood. Metal saws run slower. Not neighbour friendly ear defenders required. Shrapnel danger, but not as hot as the discs.

                                Personally I use my Kennedy 90 with auto off for thick bars because I can leave knocking away while I do something else. I have not bothered to buy a band saw. The Parkside £80 plasma gets used for plate work. It’s much like cutting card with a craft knife and quieter than the compressor providing the air.

                                 

                                #847980
                                Clive Foster
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                                  @clivefoster55965

                                  Jason. Thanks for the steer on aluminium cutting disks, whatever will they think of next?

                                  Hafta keep reminding myself that 71 is not the new 21 so some cunning and exploitation of experience is often mandatory to manage things that one were just-do-it territory. Any-old how. Wouldn’t try your sheet cutting set up now. 40 years back would probably just have hand held both sheet and grinder. Safety, wazzat.

                                  This is what I have for take it outside to abrasive cut, grind or flap wheel clean with a hand held grinder jobs.

                                  Outside Grinding Set-up R

                                  Mains powered Makita was going spare after deciding all battery was the way to go so it lives permanently on the slider base. Base was £12.00 off t’net I think and very effective. I borrow the long arm guide I made for my circular saw when I want straight cuts. For simple chops on stuff held in the vice the battery Makita comes out.

                                  Vice is nice but it does make the workmate knock off heavy and unbalanced when moving.

                                  The LiDL saw had a base in the kit so could be either PortBand hand held or Femi knock off. Right now the Scheppach MBS1200 seems to be about the cheapest Femi portable saw knock off at £189. Whether its any good or not being a whole ‘nother matter.

                                  Clive

                                   

                                   

                                  #847981
                                  alecs
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                                    @alecs

                                    Angle grinders are good for thin stuff and hollow sections. Pain in the neck for solid bar stock. Band saw is better for that.

                                    Plus angle grinder sparks are a common cause of fires. They go everywhere and can sit undetected smouldering away on bits of paper, rag, wood etc and burst into flame some time later when nobody is around. I only ever use mine outside in the yard.

                                    #847985
                                    Nicholas Farr
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                                      @nicholasfarr14254

                                      Hi, with any hand held angle grinder of any size, you should use both hands when using it, and have the correct disc for the material that you are grinding or cutting, and has been said, you can get them for steel, stainless steel, concrete, aluminium, and many others, including some plastics. I bought a 5 inch one from Aldi’s some years ago, and got a chop-saw attachment to go with it.

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                                      I don’t think I’ve used the chop-saw attachment more than about three or four times since I’ve had it, and I don’t think I’d use it for anything bigger than 25mm in diameter, and cirtanly not contiously.

                                      I have been using angle grinders ever since I left school, and back then, they were the nine inch die-cast type, no mini grinders, but there were seven inch ones, but it was several years before I ever used one of those. The thickness of any material you cut, is only really limited to the size of the disc being used, and maybe other obstructions getting in the way. The most important things to consider are, being physically able to handle the machine, your own ability to use such things in a safe manner, a safe environment, and full and proper PPE.

                                      Personally, if I was cutting up lengths of bar, I would use a power saw, unless I was cutting it up for scrap.

                                      Regards Nick.

                                      #847988
                                      Greensands
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                                        @greensands

                                        <p style=”text-align: left;”>Thanks for all the  advice offered. From what has been said I thnk I wil stay well clear of using an angle grinder and stick with my old Blackgates which has the advantage of using standard hacksaw blades and quiet and although relatively slow,  does produces a surprisingly good square cut.</p>

                                        #848144
                                        Howard Lewis
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                                          @howardlewis46836

                                          I use an angle grinder, from time to time, but the majority or work is done with the bandsaw.

                                          It is safer and gives greater accuracy.

                                          Even with a chop saw stand, an angle grinder is less accurate than the bandsaw, although it does have it’s uses.

                                          As always, horses for courses.

                                          Howard

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