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    John MC
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      To be specific, I’m looking for a needle roller cage assembly, 4 off, 13/16 x 1 1/16 x 7/8″.   Part number is WJ-131714, the letters may differ.

      I’m stuck with this size because of the sizes of the (new) parts they will be used with.

      I’ve tried all the usual bearing suppliers and a few suppliers of obsolete bearings, no luck.  Contacted a far eastern based supplier who couldn’t find them.

      So, anyone know where I might try?

      Thanks

      #846134
      Graham Meek
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        #846197
        HOWARDT
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          @howardt

          You could see if the rollers alone are available and fit them to the exisiting cage.

          #846246
          noel shelley
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            @noelshelley55608

            I have called my suppliers and they are going to call me back, Hayley, Dexis. I’ll report back.  Noel.

            #846719
            John MC
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              @johnmc39344

              Thanks for the replies.

              I’ve tried those suppliers mentioned, unable to help.

              123 Bearings, they seem not to be stockists as such, rather they will find far eastern source of bearings who can supply through themselves.  Okay for large quantities, but 4 off…

              HowardT, not sure what you mean, there is no existing cage.  The rollers would be 1/8″ diameter, perhaps make a cage?

               

              #846720
              Adrian R2
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                @adrianr2

                These? Numbers appear to be dimensions in 16ths but not sure what the correct ID/OD/Length convention is.

                https://www.ashleybearings.co.uk/sce1314oh-budget-needle-roller-bearing-with-oil-hole-1316-x-1-116-x-78

                #846729
                John MC
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                  @johnmc39344

                  Adrian, the assembly uses drawn cup bearings like the ones you found, still readily available in a variety of widths.  For some reason the originals are half the width of those you found and full compliment.

                  Problem is that there is some “play” in the fit of these bearings.  The shaft these bearings run on are of inadequate stiffness so a little bit of play would be useful, but there is too much.  Only a thou or so too much.  A needle roller cage running directly on the shaft and sleeve should reduce the clearance to nearer the ideal.  Problem is finding them…

                   

                  #846730
                  Graham Meek
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                    @grahammeek88282

                    The reference WJ-131714, gives a caged bearing made by Torrington. These usually run in a hardened sleeve. I am now confused as to what is needed.

                    As above, we find it is a drawn cup full compliment needle roller bearing, but I cannot make out he size that is actually wanted as we are told it is “Half the width of the originals”.

                    Thus with the boundary dimensions given, a drawn cup bearing is made by Koyo B-1314, and available on ebay.

                    I hope this helps,

                    Gray,

                    #846753
                    John MC
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                      @johnmc39344

                      WJ-131714 is the part number of a needle roller cage assembly, not the whole bearing assembly.

                      The original DC bearing,  13/16 x 1 1/16 x 1/2″ full compliment bearing seemed an odd choice.  These bearings carry a relatively high load.  So, fitting wider, caged bearings should help with load capacity.  Not double the width (only 75%) of the originals as I said, the important thing is the increased load capacity.

                      Problem is the clearance, some play between shaft and component running on the shaft, a little over 1.5 thou.

                      Fitting a cage assembly running on the shaft and mating part, (both hard), would reduce the clearance to something more acceptable while still coping with the (extremely small amount of,) flexing of the shaft under heavy load.  Different sizes for DC vs cage assembly work in my favour, just!

                      Hopefully that is clear now, still need to find the cage assemblies…

                       

                       

                       

                      #846767
                      Grindstone Cowboy
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                        I’ve always got bearings from Swan Bearings in Preston, but I don’t think they have a website. Might be worth a call though, their number is 01772 792771.

                        Rob

                        #846801
                        John MC
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                          @johnmc39344

                          Thanks GC, I’ll call them tomorrow.

                          #846808
                          Adrian R2
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                            Ok, I misunderstood “assembly” to be the whole thing. If you draw a blank elsewhere there are two potential suppliers listed on Alibaba with small minimum order quantities, enquire for terms.

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