Silver soldering

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10 April 2012 at 20:23 #6088
Deltic007
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10 April 2012 at 20:23 #88894
Deltic007
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Hi ,

just about to venture into the dark world of soldering with a small 4 inch long 2.5 inch dia copper boiler.

questions have arisen and I would appreciate assistance.

1.i have loads of solder all from my fathers garage but I don't know what make temp melt point or any details other than it is silver solder,how do I identify it.

2. What flux do I use,easyflo? Some of the solder has flux on it,would I be better knocking it off in favour of the easyflo?

3. I have made end plates which are a push fit in the tube,do I need a gap and how much of a gap for the solder to run.

4.where can I get some decent materials for the hearth at reasonable cost?

5. Nearly done…….Pickling any tips?

Thanks to you all should you choose to help
10 April 2012 at 20:42 #88896
David Clark 13
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Hi There

Go and buy some silver solder to a known standard. You are building a boiler. Any old crap will not do.

regards david
10 April 2012 at 20:50 #88900
JasonB
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CuP alloys or Chronos do the lightweight bricks and sheets of insulation. Cup will also have soilder and suitable flux.

Like David I would use known materials for the boiler, keep the other stuff for the odd not critical fabrication.

Search here for pickle its been covered before

J

Edited By JasonB on 10/04/2012 20:51:14
10 April 2012 at 21:14 #88903
VC
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Hi 007

If as you say you have loads of sliver solder.

Give it "test" I've just paid 24 squid for two sticks and they seem to look smaller all the

time.

Boiler seems to be a nice size to start on. if the caps are a push fit should be just about right

to big a gap and bye bye silver soilder.

Two lemons plus water nice and safe

Local building supplies for a couple of insulation bricks ask the guy for the ones you can cut with a wood saw
11 April 2012 at 19:54 #88958
Tony Martyr
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Where abouts are you in the world? I made a mild-steel hearth for silver soldering my 'William' boiler last year and it is getting in the way at present and will not be needed for about 12 months judging by present progress

I also made all the classic errors of a first-time boiler maker (not enough heat etc etc) and I have some sulphuric acid pickle brew so if you are within travelling distance of north Worcestershire contact me.

Tony
11 April 2012 at 20:42 #88961
Brian Dickinson 2
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Hi, I did not think that silver solder came coated! Are you sure its not brazing rod?
11 April 2012 at 21:19 #88968
Sub Mandrel
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I found some flux coated silver solder at a DIY store once. Bought a packet, it worked but it was high-temperatuire stuff.

Neil
11 April 2012 at 21:49 #88972
Deltic007
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Thanks guys

I intend to get it all out in the next week or so and do some tests. There must be 100 rods tucked away in the 3 bundles total.

Mike

Edited By Deltic007 on 11/04/2012 21:50:31
22 June 2012 at 07:05 #92903
David Haynes
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Cup Alloys and others sell a range of different silver solder grades with differing melting temperatures. As the solder melts, the changes to it's composition raises the melting point. This may mean for a small boiler that only one grade need be used. I too am in a similar starting situation to 007 and wondered what grade I should choose – Cup Alloys were helpful but did not give me this answer.

Thanks

Dave
22 June 2012 at 08:11 #92905
Steambuff
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If you are only using 1 type of silver solder, then it does not really matter which you use.

I tend to use the one with the lowest melting point – 55% Silver (Cup 455) that melts around 630-660 as my general purpose silver solder, only using a higher melting point one when required.

Dave

(No connection to Cup Alloys – just a happy customer)
22 June 2012 at 10:11 #92914
David Haynes
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In a small boiler of the size 007 is discussing here, would 1mm dia silver solder be suitable for most locations? Also, what preference for flux?

Dave
22 June 2012 at 10:27 #92916
Steambuff
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I use either 1mm or 1.5mm for the bigger joints and a EF (Easy-Flo) Flux.

Dave
23 June 2012 at 23:37 #92990
Kevin Norman
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Unitor ships supply do a flux coated silver solder , the coating is coloured pink, as far as I can remember the melting range is 620 – 640 deg
24 June 2012 at 08:51 #92998
Wolfie
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I used a couple of firebricks from a local hardware shop.
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