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  • #520217
    Michael Gilligan
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      @michaelgilligan61133

      As requested by Vic, in a recent thread:

      My ‘eyepiece tube to C-mount’ adapter tubes arrived safely today

      They were handled in China by ‘ORANGE CONNEX’ and in the UK by Royal Mail’s RM 24 service.

      It appears that system is running exactly as it should.

      MichaelG.

      #36237
      Michael Gilligan
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        @michaelgilligan61133
        #520233
        Mark Rand
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          @markrand96270

          I should have another datum in a week or two. Not worried about VAT and handling charges, but more than a bit miffed that it's easier to order stainless steel toolwrap for heat treating from California than the UK.

          #520243
          Vic
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            @vic

            Sounds good Michael. yes

            #521284
            Grindstone Cowboy
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              @grindstonecowboy

              Not strictly engineering, but I ordered some PSU cables from Corsair, they arrived through my door two days later and I was surprised to see they had been shipped airmail from the Netherlands. Nothing on the website to indicate this, and there was nothing to pay. Total value was below £15.

              Rob

              Edit – apologies, didn't realise the thread was strictly for Ebay purchases.

              Edited By Grindstone Cowboy on 20/01/2021 13:42:51

              #521287
              Michael Gilligan
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                @michaelgilligan61133
                Posted by Grindstone Cowboy on 20/01/2021 13:41:49:

                Not strictly engineering, but I ordered some PSU cables from Corsair, they arrived through my door two days later and I was surprised to see they had been shipped airmail from the Netherlands. Nothing on the website to indicate this, and there was nothing to pay. Total value was below £15.

                Rob

                Edit – apologies, didn't realise the thread was strictly for Ebay purchases.

                .

                No problem, Rob

                … It’s the general arrangement for ‘imports’ that is of most interest, whether via ebay or elsewhere.

                MichaelG.

                #522693
                Chuck Taper
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                  @chucktaper

                  A €375 purchase from UK via eBay cost we slightly north of €130 euro in extra charges "Customs&Taxes"

                  Unlikely to be doing that again.

                  Just FYI.

                  Frank C.

                  #522695
                  pgk pgk
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                    @pgkpgk17461

                    Isn't it a case that vat is not applicable to exported items which are then taxed on import at the rate applying to the importing country? Whether that's collected at the point of sale or at delivery is a different matter. That gov has finally got itself sorted to block the loophole of folk getting away without paying vat and customs duties from non EU shouldn't be such an issue (you were tax evading before)… albeit adding to end user cost. The fact that the delivery company adds a handling fee is a necessary evil (particularly on small purchases) and of course there's the extra paperwork for export to europe that didn't exist before Brexit.

                    pgk

                    #522715
                    Douglas Johnston
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                      @douglasjohnston98463

                      Am I right in thinking that if I buy an item at less than the threshold of £137 via ebay from China there will only be VAT to pay, and that will be collected by ebay. The postman will not be standing at my doorstep demanding more money for import duty and handling charge.

                      Doug

                      #522723
                      Mike Poole
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                        @mikepoole82104

                        Now the system is being tightened up it should level the playing field for uk based sellers who have had to contend with widespread tax evasion undercutting the honest sellers. It may be well worth looking at uk suppliers as most things can be found here. I recently bought some parts for the ELS by James Clough in the USA via his eBay listing, the cost near doubled by the time it had been through the proper process of tax and handling. I accept that that is how the system works and sucked up the financial hit for something unique that I wanted. If we now start to adjust to paying the proper price for things directly imported then we may find shopping in the uk is the best solution with full consumer protection thrown in for free.

                        Mike

                        #522724
                        Ady1
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                          @ady1

                          And don't forget when you come back from abroad and they want a list of anything over 100 quid or whatever

                          one phrase in the box

                          "personal effects"

                          And open everything so its useless, crack the top of that whisky bottle and take the cellophane off the cigarettes

                          #522726
                          Frances IoM
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                            @francesiom58905

                            VAT on 2nd hand goods has been standard for years – have you never bought anything from a public auction – the only exceptions being food + I think items placed by private individuals (most auction goods tended to come via commercial clearance companies) though you also pay VAT on the buyers commission – at the local auctions you merely remembered that you paid 50% more than the bid price and bid accordingly – often new buyers didn’t realise this and the unpaid for items would reappear in the following week when the trade dealers would put in their lower bids

                            Edited By Frances IoM on 26/01/2021 11:56:10

                            #522743
                            Clive Hartland
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                              @clivehartland94829

                              Has anyone looked at the bottom part of a spirit bottle label, I noticed that there was a series of small cuts in the label. Sensing that it could be used for checking it's origin I cut a small piece off the bottom of the label just in case.

                              #522750
                              Emgee
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                                @emgee
                                Posted by Mike Poole on 26/01/2021 11:49:15:

                                Now the system is being tightened up it should level the playing field for uk based sellers who have had to contend with widespread tax evasion undercutting the honest sellers. It may be well worth looking at uk suppliers as most things can be found here. I recently bought some parts for the ELS by James Clough in the USA via his eBay listing, the cost near doubled by the time it had been through the proper process of tax and handling. I accept that that is how the system works and sucked up the financial hit for something unique that I wanted. If we now start to adjust to paying the proper price for things directly imported then we may find shopping in the uk is the best solution with full consumer protection thrown in for free.

                                Mike

                                AFAIK nothing has changed if importing goods from countries not in the EU, there has always been the opportunity for customs control to add import duty and VAT + a collection charge by the delivering company.

                                When I was VAT registered it was the case that if exporting to a non EU country the goods could be Zero rated so no VAT collected.
                                Likewise if buying from an EU member country goods could be imported to the UK Zero rated provided the importer's VAT registration details were provided to the seller.

                                If now buying goods from an EU member country we are having to pay additional VAT on a selling price that in most cases already includes VAT collected by the country where the sale is made, in some cases this 21%.

                                So from the above it is clear goods from PRC will still cost less, even with 20% added and collected by eBay, than goods from the EU countries.

                                Emgee

                                #522759
                                Vic
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                                  @vic
                                  Posted by Douglas Johnston on 26/01/2021 11:29:03:

                                  Am I right in thinking that if I buy an item at less than the threshold of £137 via ebay from China there will only be VAT to pay, and that will be collected by ebay. The postman will not be standing at my doorstep demanding more money for import duty and handling charge.

                                  Doug

                                  Yes, this is what should happen. On the eBay website it should say somewhere that the listed price includes VAT.

                                  This thread was originally started by Michael for folks to hopefully confirm this is actually happening.

                                  #522766
                                  Neil Wyatt
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                                    @neilwyatt
                                    Posted by Emgee on 26/01/2021 13:59:38:

                                    If now buying goods from an EU member country we are having to pay additional VAT on a selling price that in most cases already includes VAT collected by the country where the sale is made, in some cases this 21%.

                                    Suppliers are playing catchup.

                                    Larger EU based companies are now typically showing prices excluding local VAT which is added at the checkout for goods valued under £350. You should not be charged double VAT.

                                    Goods over £350 you have to pay VAT, import duty and courier's collection fee on receipt.

                                    Someone recently complained they were struggling to sell s/h on eBay as buyers were saying the price was nearly the new online price form Europe (as the latter was being quoted ex-vat).

                                    I've noticed one price for something I bought from Germany last year has dropped from £89 to £75 which is a little less than 20%…

                                    It's rather like when we went metric and everyone rounded up…

                                    Neil

                                    #524311
                                    Vic
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                                      @vic

                                      I’ve ordered a collet Chuck for £7.54 from PRC but it’s not due to land here until next month. WSS what happens, fingers crossed!

                                      #524348
                                      Oily Rag
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                                        @oilyrag
                                        Posted by Neil Wyatt on 26/01/2021 15:04:59:

                                        It's rather like when we went metric and everyone rounded up…

                                        Neil

                                        You mean 15/16th" became 1" smiley

                                        #524366
                                        SillyOldDuffer
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                                          @sillyoldduffer

                                          There are two different issues here:

                                          • The VAT collection system has changed to make it harder for UK customers to avoid paying tax when buying from abroad, and,
                                          • Leaving the European Union means the new border adds steps and charges, some of which are themselves liable to VAT.

                                          So two sets of changes impacting UK imports and exports at the same time. It's confusing!

                                          Whilst the effect on imports is of most interest to UK forum members there is the other side of the coin. Members living in Europe may be interested in the following advice I noticed buying carbon fibre this week from Easy Composites. It's clearer than most I've read and gives a costed example. I think the advice generally explains the uncertainty causing a certain amount of bother to business with the EU at the moment. But there is light at the end of the tunnel – this company is confident they can reduce the cost and inconvenience in future. The original is here, but because the advice is likely to change I've copied what it says today, 2 Feb 2021:

                                          ecadvice1.jpg

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                                          ec3.jpg

                                          Basic message – don't assume the whole system is permanently wrecked if buying from the UK (or Europe) causes aggro during early 2021. The possibility of unexpected 'brokerage charges' is my main concern. Things should straighten out in due course.

                                          We live in interesting times!

                                          Dave

                                          Edited By SillyOldDuffer on 02/02/2021 17:43:02

                                          #524369
                                          Michael Gilligan
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                                            @michaelgilligan61133

                                            Thanks for sharing that, Dave … it's useful and written in reasonably plain English.

                                            The only thing I might add is that we should see it as no surprise

                                            This general arrangement was scheduled for 'Europe' from July 2021, and Brexit just made the UK an 'early adopter'

                                            MichaelG.

                                            #525875
                                            Vic
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                                              @vic

                                              Well the collet Chuck I ordered just popped through the letterbox. No additional charges and it arrived in seven days!

                                              #525913
                                              J Hancock
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                                                @jhancock95746

                                                Not ebay , but Belgian 'Post Office' charges for anything more than a letter to UK have nearly doubled.

                                                Dec 2020 16.50 euros Jan 2021 30 euros.

                                                #525919
                                                Ady1
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                                                  @ady1

                                                  It's not really a bad thing, we were getting pretty hedonistic with our consumption

                                                  I recall reading that we would need 4 planet earths if everyone lived like we do in the UK

                                                  #525920
                                                  Del Greco
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                                                    @delgreco45469

                                                    Hey Gents,

                                                    Just thought I'd dip in and tell you about my experiences. I buy a lot on Ebay. I have both a UK and Irish addresses. I'm in Ireland atm with work, and Covid is making travel back and forth slightly convoluted.

                                                    Anyway, there seems to be a few issues. All the stuff I've ordered from the UK to the UK is arriving in record time. Literally a day or 2, which is fantastic.

                                                    To Ireland from the UK though is another matter. I've ordered several items and over 2 weeks later, there is still no sign of them. Similar story from Ireland to the UK too. I think part is Covid restrictions and reduced capacity. Couple that with increased border checks and import duty, is equating to a bit of a headache. I'm getting a similar experience from Amazon too.

                                                    Regards,

                                                    Del

                                                    #525940
                                                    vic newey
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                                                      @vicnewey60017

                                                      There are lots of complaints on Ebay forums re 20% VAT being charged on books & other printed matter whereas it should be zero.

                                                      The same applies to other things like collectors items such as old coins, the VAT has always been and still is 5% but Ebay coin sellers in the EU have + 20% added to the listing.

                                                      From July 1st all of the EU will begin charging each other VAT on Ebay purchases exported within the block, the VAT will be charged at the buyers countries rate. The UK simply started doing it earlier but no doubt the EU members will have the same problems

                                                      Being a coin collector I have had several disputes with Customs in recent years, nearly always with coins bought from the USA and I get charged 20% VAT, I then have to fill in a form which eventually leads to a refund but no attempt to fix the problem. Even a coin bought for £10 inc post and being less than the (now lost) £15 VAT free minimum was recently included which then still results in me paying Royal Mail their £8 handling fee.

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