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    Steve355
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      Hi

      Very simple and quick question…

      The engineering suppliers in the UK do not realise that home machining is about as imperial as Jacob Rees-Mogg.

      I want to buy a shell mill. ALL of the MT2 arbors I can find for sale have an M10 thread. My DW mill has a 3/8” drawbar and will not accept a M10 drawbar. I have read that they are so close as to be interchangeable. Is this correct, or is it a no-no for some reason?

      (i.e. can I screw an M10 arbor onto a 3/8” drawbar?)

      thanks

      Steve

      Edited By Steve355 on 17/09/2022 16:05:38

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      Steve355
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        #613934
        noel shelley
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          3/8" is 9.5mm so you are looking for 20thou. If you havn't got that to spare it's a tight hole. I have an imperial Centec 2B, I can get a 10mm drawbar in ! I used 10mm threaded rod, cheap, comes by the 1m. remember it is only to stop the arbor/ cutter falling out DO NOT DO IT VERY TIGHT ! Noel. Good Luck

          #613935
          JasonB
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            @jasonb

            If it's an insert shell mill you are looking at then it's more than likely to be 16, 22 or 27mm bore so the metric arbors these fit come with metric drawbar threads, If you find a 3/8W drawbar one it is more than likely to be 5/8 or 7/8 so won't be much use anyway

            As M10 is reasonably coarse and the MT taper will do the griping consider making a drawbar from 3/8 round bar with an M10 thread cut on the end

            Edited By JasonB on 17/09/2022 16:37:10

            #613936
            Roderick Jenkins
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              A 3/8" BSW will go about 4 threads into an M10 hole which is probably enough but I have run a 3/8" BSW tap into my M10 tooling and that then works fine with a 3/8" draw bar. As Noel says, a loose fit in the thread is OK for nipping up a 2MT.

              Rod

              #613946
              Howard Lewis
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                I have converted M12 tappings in blank arbors to 3/8 BSW by Loctiting in a piece of M12 studding and then drill and tap to 3/8 BSW.

                M10 (0.393" )is 8.5 mm ( 0.3362) Tapping size (Core dia 8.159 mm 0.321" ) 1.5 mm (p 0.059" ) pitch

                3/8 BSW is 0.3125" Tapping Size, (Core diameter 0.295" ) 16 tpi (0.06252 ) pitch

                The sizes and pitches seem all a little too close for plugging and retapping to be feasible.

                My method would be to make up a drawbar with a M10 thread on the end, if that will pass through the spindle.

                Howard

                #613956
                old mart
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                  @oldmart

                  Try a length of 10mm studding down the spindle, it may fit without any modifications. When I converted the Tom Senior light vertical from MT2 to R8 it was easier to retain the top half of the spindle which had fine splines than to make one. The bore was intended for 3/8" Whitworth drawbars. I managed to get a 7/16" reamer through after silver soldering an extension to it. That is 11.11mm diameter.

                  #613972
                  John Haine
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                    Loctite in a short bit of M10 studding, drill and tap M6 and use M6 studding for drawbar. For MT tapers you don't need a strong pull, M6 plenty strong enough.

                    #614000
                    Bob Unitt 1
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                      Posted by Howard Lewis on 17/09/2022 17:14:00:

                      I have converted M12 tappings in blank arbors to 3/8 BSW by Loctiting in a piece of M12 studding and then drill and tap to 3/8 BSW.

                      M10 (0.393" )is 8.5 mm ( 0.3362) Tapping size (Core dia 8.159 mm 0.321" ) 1.5 mm (p 0.059" ) pitch

                      3/8 BSW is 0.3125" Tapping Size, (Core diameter 0.295" ) 16 tpi (0.06252 ) pitch

                      The sizes and pitches seem all a little too close for plugging and retapping to be feasible.

                      My method would be to make up a drawbar with a M10 thread on the end, if that will pass through the spindle.

                      Howard

                      I can confirm that plugging and tapping won't work, having tried it myself. I made up an extra drawbar for the other thread in the end.

                      #614143
                      old mart
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                        @oldmart

                        It would help if the exact bore size of the spindle was posted.

                        #614692
                        John Reese
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                          @johnreese12848

                          The Chinese vendors on eBay offer shell mill adapters wth either metric or Imperial threads.

                          #614699
                          John Rutzen
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                            @johnrutzen76569

                            I have two drawbars for my Amadeal mill. The milling R8 arbor is M10, the drill chuck and boring head are 3/8th BSW. I don't find it a problem, I just use the appropriate one.

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                            not done it yet
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                              Posted by old mart on 19/09/2022 15:19:43:

                              It would help if the exact bore size of the spindle was posted.

                              More than 9.5mm and less than 10mm. I might just ream it to accept a 10mm thread.

                              ————

                              TPI and pitch are different for those two threads? They are not compatible.

                              #614736
                              Andrew Moyes 1
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                                I have a DW mk1 mill that I made from the kit circa 1980. The spindle blank was supplied pre-drilled through at 11/32" for a 5/16" drawbar. Neither 3/8" nor M10 will fit. The tail of the spindle is 5/8" diameter with two opposed keyways cut into it 3/32" deep. There isn't enough metal left to drill it out for the larger drawbars. The OP might have the mk2 version of course and that might have a larger spindle – I can't help if so.

                                Andrew

                                #614778
                                old mart
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                                  @oldmart

                                  If you can ream to 9.8mm and then use a length of 10mm studding with a long nut loctited to the top you would be good to go.

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