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    Paul Sherriff
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      I’ve got a large chime whistle which I want to install on the Romulus I am building

      The fitting on it is 1/2” BSP (big). What is the minimum pipe I should consider piping it up with? Was hoping tp use 1/4” OD copper, making a suitable fitting Would that be enough?

      Opinions?

      Edited By Paul Sherriff on 04/03/2022 18:07:32

      Edited By Paul Sherriff on 04/03/2022 18:08:20

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      Paul Sherriff
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        #588230
        bernard towers
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          Could you not test performance with a compressor and variable regulator?

          #588235
          Clive Brown 1
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            In "Shop Shed & Road" LBSC seems to use nothing bigger than 1/8" dia. for his whistles so 1/4" should be plenty.

            Incidentally, he tells that he used his 5-pint blow-lamp as a compressed-air source for testing the notes.

            #588237
            Paul Lousick
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              Chime whistles are multiple whistles combined into the one structure and as you have said, the 1/2" BSP fitting is big and probably used 1/2" NB pipe.

              Standard 1/2" NB pipe has an OD of 21.3mm and an ID of 15.7mm. So is 1/4" OD (6.35mm) tube with a bore of approx. 5mm going to work. (Note. The size stated for pipe refers to its nominal inside diameter, not its OD. Unlike tube which refers to its OD)

              It is going to require a lot of air/steam to make a decent sound. I would use a minimum of 12mm tube, preferably 16mm OD

              Paul

              #588239
              roy entwistle
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                @royentwistle24699

                You will not get the same results on air as on steam

                Roy

                #588267
                Paul Sherriff
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                  Thanks guys. Your input is much appreciated

                  #588272
                  SillyOldDuffer
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                    Posted by Paul Lousick on 05/03/2022 10:18:06:

                    It is going to require a lot of air/steam to make a decent sound…

                    I read somewhere that unnecessary whistling was strongly discouraged during the steam-age because it's so wasteful. How much steam does a whistle use? Does anyone have any figures for full-size or model locomotives?

                    More usefully perhaps, the diameter needed to achieve a given flow depends on length too – 10 metres of ⌀3mm pipe offers much more resistance than 0.1m of ⌀3mm, and heat loss from long pipes makes them even worse. In practice, driving a big whistle calls for largest shortest pipe that can be managed: a long small diameter pipe is likely to throttle the whistle. I vote for the biggest diameter that looks OK on the engine.

                    Dave

                    #588280
                    noel shelley
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                      I'm with sod and Paul, I would use 12 or 15mm copper pipe, in part as I have it ! It should look OK and work well. Noel.

                      Edited By noel shelley on 05/03/2022 14:32:36

                      #588347
                      Paul Lousick
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                        Whistles sound muck better on steam than on air.

                        SOD. " Does anyone have any figures for full-size or model locomotives? ". This is data from the Lunkenheimer catalogue published in 1912

                        lunkenheimer steam volume.jpg

                        From the table, for a 2" whistle with a 1/2" pipe fitting it requires 0.24 cu.ft of air per second at 40 psi to blow it. (An air compressor that can deliver 14 cfm. )

                        Paul

                        #588351
                        Paul Lousick
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                          Whistles sound muck much better on steam than on air. (although muck on air could be appropriate)

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