What inner spacer?

What inner spacer?

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  • #523560
    Ronen Burstein
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      pully.jpgHi there

      I need advice please.

      I want to build a pulley like the attached image. What material I shall use for the inner spacer?

      Also, what tolerance between bearing and inner socket wall?

      Ronen

      #27929
      Ronen Burstein
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        #523563
        Pete Rimmer
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          @peterimmer30576

          Any metal tube would be fine for the spacer the main consideration is that the ends be as parallel as you can possibly make them. One bearing pocket should be a press fit , depth is the width of the bearing and fit this bearing first. The other pocket should be a light press or sliding fit and deep enough so that the inner race seats agains the spacer before the outer race bottoms out in the pocket, thus avoiding unwanted pre-load through the race. Press the second bearing on via the inner race and if you can, put an axle through the whole assembly for pressing to avoid the spacer tube being cocked whilst pressing.

          Edited By Pete Rimmer on 29/01/2021 17:41:45

          #523570
          Jeff Dayman
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            Your drawing has "Leading Composites" in the title block. Is this an enquiry to help a commercial firm?

            Edited By Jeff Dayman on 29/01/2021 18:32:03

            #523600
            Phil P
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              @philp

              Just be careful with you 55 dimension, it is taken from the corner of a chamfer by the looks of it,

              Phil

              #523609
              Martin Connelly
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                You need something with a similar coefficient of thermal expansion to the body of the roller.

                Martin C

                Edited By Martin Connelly on 29/01/2021 21:45:55

                #523614
                T.B
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                  Posted by Jeff Dayman on 29/01/2021 18:31:40:

                  Your drawing has "Leading Composites" in the title block. Is this an enquiry to help a commercial firm?

                  Edited By Jeff Dayman on 29/01/2021 18:32:03

                  That drawing is freely available on ebay alongside the pulleys for sale

                  If i needed one, at £54 a go i'd probably make it too !

                  #523616
                  Pete Rimmer
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                    @peterimmer30576
                    Posted by Martin Connelly on 29/01/2021 21:45:24:

                    You need something with a similar coefficient of thermal expansion to the body of the roller.

                    Martin C

                    Edited By Martin Connelly on 29/01/2021 21:45:55

                    You don't, hence why you leave one bearing floating. Just like the rear spindle bearing on many lathes.

                    If the roller is a plastic like nylon it'll have 2-4x the expansion rate of aluminium so it's just not practical.

                    #523636
                    Michael Gilligan
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                      Posted by Jeff Dayman on 29/01/2021 18:31:40:

                      Your drawing has "Leading Composites" in the title block. Is this an enquiry to help a commercial firm?

                      .

                      If it was … Do you really think that Ronen would have asked the question how he did ?

                      [quote] … I want to build a pulley like the attached image. … [/quote]

                      Surely the reasonable interpretation is that Ronen wants to build a pulley like someone else’s commercial item.

                      MichaelG.

                      #523639
                      Journeyman
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                        Is there in fact any need for an internal spacer. If the two bearings are a press fit into a recess at each end of the roller surely that should be sufficient to maintain lateral alignment. The axle will similarly align the bearings axially. I am sure it will work without the internal spacer (I stand to be corrected).

                        John

                        #523643
                        Oldiron
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                          Posted by Journeyman on 30/01/2021 09:17:25:

                          Is there in fact any need for an internal spacer. If the two bearings are a press fit into a recess at each end of the roller surely that should be sufficient to maintain lateral alignment. The axle will similarly align the bearings axially. I am sure it will work without the internal spacer (I stand to be corrected).

                          John

                          regards

                          Agreed John. I could understand the need for a spacer if the bearings were not pocketed and just a press fit into a straight bore.

                          regards

                          #523647
                          Michael Gilligan
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                            It obviously depends upon the installation … but I would guess that the bearings are intended to be not loaded

                            i.e. the inner races are clamped tightly [between plates, or whatever] and the outers are ‘floating’

                            That way, the differential expansion of materials is accommodated by the axial play in the bearings.

                            MichaelG.

                            .

                            Edit, for clarity : I see the item as being an idler [perhaps a belt-tensioner]

                            Edited By Michael Gilligan on 30/01/2021 10:15:17

                            #523649
                            Nicholas Farr
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                              @nicholasfarr14254

                              Hi, if the roller is to be fixed into position via a single bolt, then there will be a need for an inner spacer, otherwise the bearing inner rings will get cramped towards each other and may even prevent the roller turning, it really does matter on it's application.

                              Regards Nick.

                              Edited By Nicholas Farr on 30/01/2021 10:12:06

                              #523653
                              Journeyman
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                                @journeyman

                                Just for further info the original is an aluminium idler wheel for a knife grinder / belt sander.

                                kgroller.jpg

                                The picture makes it fairly clear that the spacer is probably a steel tube.

                                John

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                                  #523665
                                  Bazyle
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                                    Posted by br on 30/01/2021 11:10:39:

                                    Some say yes and some say no, yet the drawing shows one ?

                                    br

                                    It is the same with eg car wheel bearings. My MGBGT front wheels bearings have an inner spacer and special 'pick off' shims to allow the bearing nuts (2) to be done up tight without putting pressure on the rollers and setting a precise runout. None of my trailer bearings have this and it is just a case of do it up, back off a bit and use a split pin to hold the nut.

                                    For a belt sander such care should be of little value but can be used to give a false sense of quality to something that is about the same a conveyor roller mass produced for a couple of quid. If the mounting is crude and allows someone just to keep tightening a bolt putting pressure on the bearing then a spacer protects against numpties. I think in this application I would put more emphasis on being able to replace the bearings easily as the abrasive dust will keep getting throught the seals.

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