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    George Tilley
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      @georgetilley96475

      Hi Guys,

      Any advice on what might have failed on my Sieg X1L mill? Finished working last night and everything was fine, went to carry on this morning and although the power light came on the speed controller did nothing. Looking at the different component costs the speed controller is £10 and both the motor and control board in the region of £100. Is it likely to be the speed controller or is it a common problem and it is always some other assembly/component? The motor brushes look fine.

      Thanks in anticipation,

      George

      #27202
      George Tilley
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        @georgetilley96475

        X1L mill dead

        #456884
        Steviegtr
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          @steviegtr

          You need to ask Keran at Arc about it. they seem to have the knowledge of these machines.

          Steve.

          #456933
          George Tilley
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            @georgetilley96475

            Thanks Steve will do.

            #457015
            An Other
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              @another21905

              Not sure if I am talking about the same mill, but long ago I had a small Sieg mill, and had exactly the same failure mode. The control board turned out to be the same as the type then fitted in the chinese mini-lathes – and there has been much discussion of their electronics on this forum.

              Eventually I traced the fault to the power devices (not sure now whether they were transistors or power MOSFETS), which had failed. They weren't difficult (then!) to source new devices and replace, and it was considerably cheaper than the 80-odd pounds a replacement board cost at the time. It might be worth looking at your board, and searching this forum for info on the control boards for these chinese lathes and mills.

              #457764
              wrinx
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                @wrinx

                I've just experienced something (possibly) similar – the spindle motor on my mill has just gone pop and took out the main board fuse. I didn't realise the fuse had gone until testing whether there was power to the motor and found nothing at all.

                 

                Replacing the fuse restored power – does the the Sieg have a board fuse? If so it could be your motor is shot and the fuse protected the board.

                 

                wrinx

                Edited By wrinx on 17/03/2020 14:40:00

                #457770
                SillyOldDuffer
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                  @sillyoldduffer
                  Posted by George Tilley on 12/03/2020 23:14:26:

                  Hi Guys,

                  Any advice on what might have failed on my Sieg X1L mill? Finished working last night and everything was fine, went to carry on this morning and although the power light came on the speed controller did nothing. Looking at the different component costs the speed controller is £10 and both the motor and control board in the region of £100. Is it likely to be the speed controller or is it a common problem and it is always some other assembly/component? The motor brushes look fine.

                  Thanks in anticipation,

                  George

                  Suggestions:

                  • Check obvious like blown fuses (there may be some on the circuit board), detached wires (due to vibration) and any sign of overheated components on the board. Fuses and loose wires are often easy to fix.
                  • Speed control potentiometers contain a mechanical wiper running over a resistive track that gets dirty, goes intermittent and fails completely. The controller board doesn't get the control voltage that tells it to run the motor. Cure, replace the pot – they're only a few pounds.
                  • If the motor is often switched on and off at high speed, or the machine has been worked hard, the power MOSFETS may fail. Easy enough to fix if you have electronics skills, soldering iron and some test equipment, much harder if you don't, in which case replace the whole board.
                  • Early boards were unreliable, later ones are much better.
                  • Possible a switch has failed – test with a multi-meter.
                  • Unlikely to be the motor, but it can be tested by wiring it to a 12V car battery.

                  With luck someone who has details of the X1 board will be along to provide better help.

                  Can you post some photos of the electronics? How to do it described here.

                  Also, where are you? There might be a helpful member nearby.

                  Dave

                  Edited By SillyOldDuffer on 17/03/2020 15:19:36

                  #457772
                  not done it yet
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                    @notdoneityet

                    it is often the case that people assume the motor has gone pop without checking first. A bit like the classic car forums where every failure must be the coil – but they have not even checked if there is a spark at the plugs or not – never mind if the spark is a good one, or not.😀

                    There are quite a few components between the fuse and the spindle.

                    #457937
                    An Other
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                      @another21905

                      Circuit of older machines – might help -its the lathe, but very similar to mill.

                      mlc.jpg

                      #457985
                      wrinx
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                        @wrinx
                        Posted by not done it yet on 17/03/2020 15:26:29:

                        it is often the case that people assume the motor has gone pop without checking first. A bit like the classic car forums where every failure must be the coil – but they have not even checked if there is a spark at the plugs or not – never mind if the spark is a good one, or not.😀

                        There are quite a few components between the fuse and the spindle.

                        Very true! Your post reminded me to take apart my "presumed dead" motor to find out what happened…was quite surprised to see a burnt and broken wire! After a repair it powered up fine although I've yet to test it under load,

                        So, thanks for the reminder yes

                        wrinx

                        #458267
                        George Tilley
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                          @georgetilley96475

                          Hi Guys,

                          Thanks for all the advice. Unfortunately I am not am electronics person and have no knowledge of testing a PCB, likewise no idea what a mosfet is or what it looks like. Spoke to Ian at Arc, who was quite interested in my problem and he reckons it is either the motor or board, favourite the board, and highly unlikely to be the speed controller. When I was checking the motor brushes one of the retainer grub screws shattered so I have to make a new one of those, looks like an M12 x 1 thread. I have a piece of 12mm delrin and am waiting for the die to arrive. Once I have made the new grub screw I will see how to attach the wires to the motor from the 12v battery. If the motor proves sound I will order a speed controller first, as it is the cheapest possibility, and if that fails I will order a new board. Hopefully I will be up and running after all that. I will also look for someone who fixes PCBs to have my original fixed to act as a spare. Incidentally I live in Oldham.

                          Cheers,

                          George

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