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  • #304275
    Rainbows
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      @rainbows

      I rent a garage about 60m from my house. One of the previous owners has had it fitted to the mains then since then all the wiring has been ripped out except for some light sockets.

      The garage is relatively far away and there is no path of land I own between my house and the garage.

      Does anyone know if its possible to get it wired up/ how much it would likely cost? My gut feeling is with great difficulty and great cost but thought I could check if others have done similar before.

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      #25331
      Rainbows
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        @rainbows
        #304280
        richardandtracy
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          @richardandtracy

          If nothing else, negotiating with the intervening owners would cost a packet. In my area, to put a power cable across a short piece of someone's land, they're likely to start with a minimum expectation of £5k and possibly go up from there if it was more than a few yards.

          My suggestion, for lights, is solar panels on the roof charging a battery. For very limited 240v supply, solar panels charging a 12v battery & a small 12v to 240v inverter.

          Beyond that, forget it would be my advice.

          Regards

          Richard.

          #304282
          john swift 1
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            @johnswift1

            what is the total current demand you expect to use in the garage ?

            your going to need to use larger cable to minimise the volt drop over the 65 yards of cable and ensure it will pass the earth loop impedance test

            depending on what you need

            would a generator or another supply provided by your local utility company be an option ???

            john

            #304286
            not done it yet
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              @notdoneityet

              You omitted to mention details of where the owner resides. (You mention 'owners' and not 'renters&#39. Simplest might be to power it from another property and fit a power usage meter? Maybe the full details/story would help?

              #304289
              Emgee
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                @emgee

                Rainbows, from your description it sound to me that there is still a power supply into the garage as you say the final circuit cables were removed. If the incoming power supply is existing simply get an electrician to come and do the installation of sockets and lights for you.

                With so little information provided responders can only make guesses at your needs.

                Emgee

                Edited By Emgee on 26/06/2017 14:21:59

                #304291
                I.M. OUTAHERE
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                  @i-m-outahere
                  Posted by not done it yet on 26/06/2017 13:59:56:

                  You omitted to mention details of where the owner resides. (You mention 'owners' and not 'renters'. Simplest might be to power it from another property and fit a power usage meter? Maybe the full details/story would help?

                  Or have the electricity charge combined into the rent if the owner lives on the or the same property as the garage .

                  Still going to cost you to get a sparky to wire it up thought .

                  It also depends on what you need there – just some lights ? Light and basic power ? 3ph power?

                  If it is just lights for occasional usage a cheap 4 stroke generator is what i would use .

                  Ian

                  #304293
                  Martin Kyte
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                    @martinkyte99762

                    Rent a different one with power?

                    regards Martin

                    #304294
                    JasonB
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                      @jasonb

                      Before you do anything check the terms of your rental, Used to have a garage to store a car and were not allowed to work on it eg its a garage not a workshop.

                      Sods law says that if you wire it all up then another neighbour will complain about noise/use and you will have to rip it out which may be why it was ripped out before

                      Edited By JasonB on 26/06/2017 14:46:56

                      #304296
                      Rainbows
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                        @rainbows

                        Ah fair point, some details

                         

                        The owner lives several miles away in a nice country house, the previous renter who had power installed to make it a workshop lives about 20 meters away. The only remains of the circuits are the lights and their dangly cord switches. Not sure but I think he has the garage next door so that might be the one with actual supply.

                         

                        The garage is in a sort of courtyard with houses backing onto it in every direction.

                        I do have a petrol generator in there (2.8kw?) which matches my planned needs (2kw?) for small 1ph workshop machines but the noise it makes is pretty bad. Would also be nice to have 6kw-ish for a big welder I have.  If no mains I will see about trying to muffle the sound. Either that or asks someone to run an extension cable 😛

                         

                        Also can't find any other garages in the local area, powered or otherwise. 

                        The owner doesn't really care who does what, as long as the cops don't get involved. Don't have any late night work planned so it shouldn't be an issue.

                        Edited By Rainbows on 26/06/2017 14:59:19

                        Edited By Rainbows on 26/06/2017 15:01:09

                        #304298
                        Frances IoM
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                          @francesiom58905

                          if the neighbouring garage has power ask if he would attach a coin operated slot meter(they are fairly cheap to buy) in some external wiring box – he has keys to slot meter, both of you have keys to external box – that way he doesn’t have to trust that you will pay him – he can set the rate to cover any overheads/inconvenience etc – then get a sparkie to wire up a small distribution box and a few sockets for you – 2kW as a drop off a 13A spur/ring should be easy, 6kW probably depends on what feed he has to garage but suspect you might be pushing too much here.

                          #304314
                          John Haine
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                            @johnhaine32865

                            I'm puzzled. When you say it was "fitted to the mains" do you mean that the leccy supply company installed a feed and meter? If so, I assume the meter is still there, but the supply would have been disconnected. If this is the case then all you would need to do is ask them to reconnect it, and get an electrician to install some wiring and sockets (or DIY). If it was connected by the utility, it's very unlikely that they would take out the connection.

                            #304325
                            Nicholas Farr
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                              @nicholasfarr14254

                              Hi Rainbows, your cheapest option may well be a generator, maybe something like this **LINK** doesn't say what noise level is, but at least it is diesel, so will be less of a fire risk hazard which, you may get issues with insurance etc. with having a petrol one.

                              As has been said, laying in a new cable and all that goes with it, will be very expensive and you can retrieve some money if you decide to move on or don't require it any longer.

                              Regards Nick.

                              P.S. Should have mentioned that I was thinking of the KC6, which is the blue canopied one. 

                              Edited By Nicholas Farr on 26/06/2017 18:10:19

                              #304346
                              Rainbows
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                                @rainbows

                                Will ask the guy about slinging a wire across and ask him how he did it while I'm at it. Those generators are a bit much for me, though I will keep an eye out second hand just in case

                                #304365
                                Nathan Sharpe
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                                  @nathansharpe19746

                                  For what you want you can get away with 6mm/2 3core swa/pvc. That gives a 4.7% voltage drop at 65mtrs clipped direct or buried. Fitted in free air should be similar to clipped direct. Not vastly expensive if you fit the run yourself and are not living on pensions, it should cost about £2.80/mtr and £4.00 per gland pack. Nathan.

                                  #304367
                                  Nathan Sharpe
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                                    @nathansharpe19746

                                    Sorry, I should have added that it's the cost at either end of the cable that will seem expensive ! Nathan.

                                    #304380
                                    not done it yet
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                                      @notdoneityet

                                      Forget the welder is my advice. Btw, what do you call 'big'? Modern rotating field generators don't like welders.

                                      'Small' – again too subjective. Would 2kW cover your needs? Clarke Power would be my last choice for a generator, I think. Is your current generator 2.8kW or 2.8kVA? Maximum, continuous or peak? Machines with VFDs are likely a better bet than hard start motors

                                      I would be considering a Honda inverter generator – a quality product which only makes the power you need, so not so noisy all the time, and light enough to take home – yes, a genny is a nickable item! Do think security while you are at it.

                                      They are also 'stackable' so power could be doubled at a future date.

                                      A mains connection is the obvious simple, and probably best, route, but paying for a meter connection might be a downer. Some DNO's will supply with no daily charge but the unit rates tend to be high. With houses all around at least you have a choice of 'wire slingers'?

                                      #304399
                                      Rainbows
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                                        @rainbows

                                        Ok not actually big big, 180A oil cooled welder but since 13A plugs don't like it I end up calling it big since the alternative is the 80A aldi box. I think it has a power of 4.5kw so based off what modern welders say they use.

                                        The biggest motor my keighley would use is 0.75kW. Add 0.12kW for lighting. Also considering putting a 1.5kW grinder in there but it wouldn't be running at the same time as my lathe. The welder then hogs up a big bunch of power.if I try it.

                                        not sure if kVA or kW, will check tomorrow. I do think clarke makes particularly wobbly generators but for £40 Im just glad it powers a light bulb

                                        #304700
                                        Rainbows
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                                          @rainbows

                                          The guys house backs onto the courtyard and he had an armoured cable layed from his house into one of the garages, he is only 20m away, mustn't have been cheap though. Asked about having a cable passed through the garage wall but he was worried about legal issues in case everything burns down. Will see how it goes

                                          #304703
                                          MW
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                                            @mw27036

                                            Can't you just quickly do it in the night, bury all the cable back and pretend nothing happened? wink

                                            Michael W

                                            #304704
                                            KWIL
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                                              @kwil

                                              I think you should check this out FIRST.

                                              Part P applies to electrical installations located in outbuildings such as detached garages, sheds and greenhouses. Notifiable to Local Planning.

                                              #304711
                                              not done it yet
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                                                @notdoneityet

                                                I think you should check this out FIRST.

                                                Portable power is getting more and more advantageous as a plan?

                                                #304719
                                                Mike
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                                                  @mike89748

                                                  My workshop is about 100 yards from my house, and the cost of installing mains power is beyond my means. Power comes from a 6 kw Honda-powered petrol generator. The system works well, but is expensive on fuel. I've never dared work out the economics of it, except to know that I have, on occasions, got through a 5 litre can in a day. I am not qualified to advise on electricity, but if you do take this route, then I'd say get the biggest generator you can afford, and go for something powered by a Honda engine. I've no association with Honda, but experience tells me they start easily on cold, damp days and, touch wood, seem to be super-reliable.

                                                  #304732
                                                  Clive Hartland
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                                                    @clivehartland94829

                                                    Generating your own leccie is 4 x the cost of a line supply. Without the initial cost of the generator.

                                                    Clive

                                                    #304733
                                                    Rainbows
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                                                      @rainbows

                                                      Would just be passing a cable through the gap between wall and roof. Don't think anyone would notice.

                                                      The current clarke generator runs of a honda. If the generator is here to stay I worked out piling plywood over it does helpt a noticeable amount. A proper soundproofing trolley may be yet to come

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