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  • #231833
    Speedy Builder5
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      Just been given a bunch of carbide end mills. Hints and tips for using them please. Speeds, coolant, materials etc.
      BobH

      #18038
      Speedy Builder5
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        @speedybuilder5

        how to use them

        #231855
        KWIL
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          @kwil

          Plain or coated, sizes and number of flutes?

          #231865
          John Reese
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            Find the web site for a maker of carbide end mills. There should be speed and feed information there.

            #231875
            Speedy Builder5
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              For an ordinary ME without CNC etc, would I keep the end mills for harder steels, S Steel and use the HSS for mild steel and softer materials.

              A typical reference number is EZI Diaroc 22302F-06.5 Then a small triangle and 28. I found the site, but it didn't give me much info.
              **LINK** but then my Chec and German aren't up to much. Its seems like they are Swiss tools intended for the watch making industry – I may be wrong !!

              Another end mill reference only gives me 6 05330 FRASIA (Fraisage= End mill in French)

              BobH

              #231878
              JasonB
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                The catalogue does have English in it and there are various charts that give speeds,depth of cut, material etc. They have larger mills further on which would be overkill on a watch/clockwink

                 

                What sort of sizes do you have as you may need very high speeds espacially if they are the miniature ones

                Edited By JasonB on 27/03/2016 08:24:04

                #231879
                Speedy Builder5
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                  Hi Jason, maybe because I have a French IP, that even if I select English, the only catalogue seems to be in CH (although the first screen is in English). The first cutter is 06.5 which is 6.5mm , 3 flute and dark grey in colour. My top speed is only 1570 RPM so its likely I could never achieve the benefits of high removal rates, but if they are run too slowly, will they still out perform HSS on tough material ? Should I use coolants or run dry. Also a dumb question, they are not the threaded end mills for an Autolock chuck, just plain with a notch on the shank – what sort of chuck for them? Bob

                  #231881
                  Emgee
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                    ER type collets will be OK but you may need to have an internal back stop for plunge cuts with low spindle rpm.

                    Emgee

                    #231885
                    JasonB
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                      @jasonb

                      I'd just use them as fast as you can and as you say keep them for difficult material. I rarely use them but if I have a hard spot in an iron casting may get them out. ER Collet works for me

                      I can't see your exact ref number but if you look at the pdf blue circle page 24 & 25 that shows a 3 flute 6.5 cutter on the right and on the left are feeds and speeds. At the start of the blue section that gives you what the 1a to 13b means – each colour is a material and the letters are different hardnesses of that material.

                      So taking the top purple for steel and 1a for the softest which would be free cutting MS that gives a speed of 140 m/min (don't think you have the Alpha) That means the edge of the tool needs to be moving at 140,000mm per min which on a 6.5mm dia come out at around 7000rpm. The other columns are how fast you should feed for different types of cut

                      #231903
                      Neil Wyatt
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                        The big variable is your machine and how rigid it is.

                        Neil

                        #231906
                        Chris Evans 6
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                          With cutters of 6.5 you will be OK for speed. My Bridgeport varidrive rattles a bit above that speed so it is a self imposed limit and I have no problems running carbide cutters. For ME work think of them more as posh ridged cutters for a nice finish rather than high metal removal rates.

                          #231966
                          Speedy Builder5
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                            Hi Neil, its an older Warco Major Mill/Drill, so not so rigid now. As others have said, perhaps keep for those special occasions. One bit is 0.2mm dia. OK for milling gnats whisker supports, but I will probably never need to use it.
                            Thanks for info all. Bob

                            #232018
                            Roger Head
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                              Chris, have you ever investigated the cause of the rattle? Mine is becoming more pronounced within the last 12 months or so, and I'm wondering if I should be doing something about sooner, rather than later. I recall seeing a note a long time ago in one of the BP manuals about curing a rattle by readjusting the HI/LO gear lever stop, but I haven't investigated to see if it applies to my machine. Manually moving the lever a bit further past the detent doesn't seem to make any difference.

                              Roger

                              #232032
                              David Colwill
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                                @davidcolwill19261

                                Steffan Gotteswinter did a video of carbide versus HSS and made some interesting points. Here's a link.

                                **LINK**

                                Regards.

                                David

                                #232039
                                KWIL
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                                  @kwil

                                  Bridgeport rattles seem to be spline chatter on the quill and also the varidrive pulley problems. Perhaps JS can help out here?

                                  #232042
                                  Chris Evans 6
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                                    Roger/KWIL I am sure my rattle is pulley bush and belt wear. One of those must do one day jobs, I am part way through making a new cross slide for my lathe to cure some issues but there is never a right time to have a machine out of action. I did see an American Bridgeport spares site that gave good how to do it instructions so when the lathe is done may be the mill next.

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