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16 February 2019 at 16:04 #396582
Rainbows
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@rainbows
Afternoon all

After being suitably scared off from importing an Asian lathe I snooped about the internet a little bit for a lathe. It turned out to be facebook that provided in the end. It's very much a restoration project.

Can anyone recognise the make?
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16 February 2019 at 16:04 #13430
Rainbows
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@rainbows
16 February 2019 at 16:14 #396583
JasonB
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@jasonb
Suddenly that Chinese import does not seem such a bad idea

Keep looking as there may be a mill in there two if the vice is anything to go by
16 February 2019 at 16:17 #396586
Chris Trice
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@christrice43267
If that had any value, it wouldn't be thrown outside. Don't even think about it. The cost of restoring that meaningfully would buy you a decent secondhand UK made machine. I'd be looking for a Boxford if funds are tight.
16 February 2019 at 17:24 #396595
old Al
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@oldal
That might have been worth (almost) looking at 20-30 years ago, but their are a lot of good second hand ones now because more people are leaving the hobby than starting. I.e they keep dieing.

Only last week, i picked up a really nice 3 1/2"model and offer of a really good myford 10.(not every bodies cup of tea, but nice and compact) i took the model but not the lathe.

Restoring a lathe thats been outside can be done successfully, but its hard work. All the time you are fixing the lathe you are not building models. Everybody's different in the way in which they approach their problems. Thats not mine.

best of luck
16 February 2019 at 17:58 #396601
not done it yet
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@notdoneityet
Too late to advise against buying? Reads like it is his already. It is likely very cheap, but doesn’t look too cheerful at the moment.
16 February 2019 at 18:09 #396602
Rainbows
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@rainbows
Very cheap, cheerfulness still under debate. Looking at the current going rate of Boxfords on ebay the exchange rate is about 4-6 of these per Boxford. I could take the legs and sell them for a profit.

I did actually inquire about a mill but apparently the vice is to be kept.

Thankfully for me I'm a masochist and enjoy restoring machinery at deaths door (I don't think I showed the solid block of rust that was a ML10 I restored)
16 February 2019 at 18:11 #396603
Bazyle
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@bazyle
Posted by JasonB on 16/02/2019 16:14:42:

Keep looking as there may be a mill in there two if the vice is anything to go by

and an hot air balloon to go with the wicker basket?

De-rusting machines can be a rewarding hobby in itself.
16 February 2019 at 18:23 #396605
JasonB
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@jasonb
Posted by Bazyle on 16/02/2019 18:11:23:

and an hot air balloon to go with the wicker basket?

Probably used the lathe as a ground anchor
16 February 2019 at 18:30 #396606
Robert Butler
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@robertbutler92161
Weigh it in Robert Butler
16 February 2019 at 18:56 #396610
jimmy b
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@jimmyb
Good luck.

Jim
16 February 2019 at 19:36 #396613
Brian H
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@brianh50089
But we still don't know what make it is.

Brian
16 February 2019 at 19:48 #396614
Carl Wilson 4
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@carlwilson4
It's utter shite is what it is.
16 February 2019 at 20:06 #396619
Hollowpoint
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@hollowpoint
It looks in real bad shape but I've seen worse restored. We can fix anything us engineer types cant we?

It looks sorta 1930-1940 ish to me. I've seen something similar and IIRC it was American. Can't remember the name though.
16 February 2019 at 20:09 #396620
Neil Wyatt
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@neilwyatt
Posted by old Al on 16/02/2019 17:24:40:

That might have been worth (almost) looking at 20-30 years ago, but their are a lot of good second hand ones now because more people are leaving the hobby than starting. I.e they keep dieing.

That's cheerful, Al!

Rumours of the death of model engineering have been around for fifty years or more, but over half of forum users are under 50!

Neil
16 February 2019 at 20:40 #396630
Phil Whitley
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@philwhitley94135
Come now chaps, you are seeing this machine at its very worst, It seems to be complete-ish, depends on what is at the headstock screwcutting end, which we cant see. Rust on cast iron has to be there for a long time before it does any damage, and this looks like rust where the sheet has been resting on the metal. If the price is right, it could be up and running in less than a week! You cut your cloth according to your pocket. I have two very good lathes, a Colchester student, and a Covmac, but when I bought them, they looked very rough, but even together, I paid less for them than some pay for a myford accesory!
16 February 2019 at 20:52 #396633
SillyOldDuffer
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@sillyoldduffer
Posted by Neil Wyatt on 16/02/2019 20:09:53:

Posted by old Al on 16/02/2019 17:24:40:

…

… over half of forum users are under 50!

Neil

What is this, a b….y Youth Club?

Boys under 50 should be in short trousers. Young people today, don't get me started, useless the whole lot of them. What they need is strict discipline and a dose of the birch…
16 February 2019 at 21:06 #396636
Nick Wheeler
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@nickwheeler
Posted by SillyOldDuffer on 16/02/2019 20:52:03:

Posted by Neil Wyatt on 16/02/2019 20:09:53:

Posted by old Al on 16/02/2019 17:24:40:

…

… over half of forum users are under 50!

Neil

What is this, a b….y Youth Club?

Boys under 50 should be in short trousers. Young people today, don't get me started, useless the whole lot of them. What they need is strict discipline and a dose of the birch…

Yes grampy, whatever you say. Now just slouch in your armchair and we'll bring you a nice cup of tea and a biccy to suck on.

You don't want to see me in shorts either…..
16 February 2019 at 21:13 #396637
Rainbows
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@rainbows
I'm going to restore this lathe so hard it makes a Hardinge HLV look like an Adept (not even a super one!) just to spite those who say its a pile of scrap (even though it may well be)
16 February 2019 at 21:28 #396639
Mick Henshall
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@mickhenshall99321
Go for it Rainbow, I would, nothing too bad it can't be fixed and think of the pleasure you'll get when she does her first job, gotta rescue these old girls,keep us posted

Mick 🇬🇧
16 February 2019 at 21:53 #396647
Phil Whitley
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@philwhitley94135
when you get it, take some better pics and send here, and to tony@lathes.co.uk, if anyone recognises it, he will!

Edited By Phil Whitley on 16/02/2019 21:54:22
16 February 2019 at 21:55 #396648
Phil Whitley
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@philwhitley94135
Tailstock and some parts look like an early Keighley lifts lathe, but not quite rignt
17 February 2019 at 04:43 #396669
Chris Trice
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@christrice43267
Rainbows, how much did the same seller want for his Boxford slowly rusting outside?
17 February 2019 at 06:27 #396670
Hopper
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@hopper
Looks like an interesting project. A hobby on its own getting that up and running to be sure. Someone at some time cared enough about it to paint it – even if they did paint over the oil sight glass and threading tables!

No idea what make it is but agreed it looks circa mid-20th Century with the square headstock enclosure, although the carriage and the stand legs looks a bit older school. So probably an updated version of an established machine?
17 February 2019 at 09:04 #396682
Mick Henshall
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@mickhenshall99321
If you need some inspiration watch on YT chap called " Burton's Attic " refurbishing a Rockwell lathe, cracking job

Mick 🇬🇧
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