More Windows 10 Shenanigins

[Clive Brown 1Participant @clivebrown1]

Now where's that VHS tape gone ??

Steve

Betamax surely?

[Enough!Participant @enough]

Posted by Michael Gilligan on 16/06/2020 10:01:29:

The mind is boggled :

 

Well my mind certainly was and it was my (apparently mis) understanding that iPadOS would force something like that on the user so I stayed with regular iOS (reactionary, stick-in-the-mud).

As far as the recent update goes, I tried it on my spare iPad. Although the update is billed as iPadOS 13.5.1 it seems it actually installs either the iPadOS or iOS update as appropriate to whatever OS version you already have installed.

(Keyboard melting due to excessive use of the shift key with Apple software naming).

Edited By Bandersnatch on 16/06/2020 15:01:08

[SillyOldDufferModerator @sillyoldduffer]

Posted by Steve Neighbour on 16/06/2020 10:04:49:

Posted by Gerard O'Toole on 16/06/2020 07:33:04:

Posted by Bandersnatch on 16/06/2020 01:43:43:

Posted by Rockingdodge on 15/06/2020 18:57:51:

Posted by Bandersnatch on 15/06/2020 18:15:21:

Old Mart …. no thanks. Tried it twice and didn't like it. Nor do I want to end up in a subscription model.

Don't quite understand what you mean by subscription model? Windows 10 tends to be free and is much more secure …..

….. or so MS tells you ….

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And yes, W10 is still available free (or was a few weeks ago – I doubt that's changed) and certainly is for those that avail themselves of the "update" that I mentioned at the start of this thread.

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AFAIK there is NO subscription fees for W10, if you splashed out on a 'new' 'puter it would come with W10 pre-installed, no subscriptions anywhere to be seen.

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Steve

Not obvious how Windows 10 is paid for, but a Windows licence is usually part of the cost of a new computer. About £70 last time I was involved in volume buying.

Windows isn't free, nor does the payment transfer ownership of the software to the purchaser. As the Terms and Conditions say: 'The software is licensed, not sold.' We pay to use Windows, not to own it.

Although there's only a one off payment, it's a form of subscription. The license is time limited, but not aggressively. An OEM License (pre-installed by vendor) usually won't allow the Product Key to be reused on new hardware, whilst customer installed Retail licences limit the number of times the licence can be activated. Corporate licences are another game, but however Windows is installed there comes a time when it has to be paid for again.

Dave

[V8EngParticipant @v8eng]

Uninstalling update: KB 4561666 seems to have fixed this problem that I mentioned before.

Edited By V8Eng on 16/06/2020 16:34:58

[Steve NeighbourParticipant @steveneighbour43428]

Posted by Clive Brown 1 on 16/06/2020 14:57:11:

Now where's that VHS tape gone ??

Steve

Betamax surely?

Phillips 2000 and music on 8 track cassettes (now I'm showing my age)

[Steve NeighbourParticipant @steveneighbour43428]

Posted by Bandersnatch on 16/06/2020 14:50:51:

Posted by Steve Neighbour on 16/06/2020 10:04:49:

AFAIK there is NO subscription fees for W10, if you splashed out on a 'new' 'puter it would come with W10 pre-installed, no subscriptions anywhere to be seen.

No one said there "is". You need to read what I wrote.

Appoligies if I offended

I was merely pointing out 'upgrading' to W10 is not as bad as some think, and does not have to cost anything.

If you don't you will eventually be at a significant disadvantage with what other systems on your PC will run, as an example, I assume you have a printer, so lets say your printer throws a hissy fit and you need a new one (as fixing an old one is no longer cost effective) your 'new' printer is more than likey going to need W10 to operate. We have all been through this conundrum, I started off with MS DOS, and then upgraded to Windows 3.1 and hated it, and then Windows 95, the dreaded Millenium, and then XP. W7 and W8 (which was so much better) but was slowly forced to move with the times and now run W10 and keep it right up tp date (completely for free)

Quoting Nick, look whats happened to the car industry, I used to enjoy setting the valve rocker clearances with feeler guages and adjusting the spark plugs to get the engine to run a little smoother, but those times are long gone, as are drum brakes and radial tyres (unless you own a classic or older car) and who ever thought mobile phones would become as widespread as they are, which isn't such a good thing !!

Ironically there are still around 4% of PC's running on Win XP, even though the last update was launced in 2008, and it was no longer supported by MS in 2014

Having said all of the above, 'IF' your computer is not connected to the internet, the Windows XP is absolutely fine and will serve you well, however 'IF' you connect to the internet, you are seriously at risk from just about every virus, malware or hacker that there is !!

[Enough!Participant @enough]

Steve, in the same spirit, I've been into computers since the 8080 (actually the 4040 in a small way). I've run CP/M, DRDOS, MSDOS and every version of Windows from Win3.0 and WWG through Win10 (yes, including Win10) – except Vista. Not to mention Unix and Qnx (in a business environment) and even a smattering of Linux. I've been connected to the global internet virtually since day-1

My paranoia on both the security and obsolescence fronts is more moderate.

I'll stick with Win8.1 thanks,

 

Edited By Bandersnatch on 16/06/2020 18:33:06

[Michael GilliganParticipant @michaelgilligan61133]

Posted by Michael Gilligan on 15/06/2020 21:29:01:

Just remembered another irritation :

3. The sound ‘Bark’ is no longer an option for the Alarm Clock… but fortunately, existing Alarms have retained it, so I just re-program one of them.

MichaelG.

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Reviving this, because I think Apple’s reasoning has now become clear:

**LINK**

https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/ios-14-iphone-update-new-feature-sound-recognition-noise-settings-a9583811.html

The alarm sound ‘Bark’ could be misinterpreted by iOS, as the sound of a dog barking.

… That’s sheer poetry !!

MichaelG.

[BazyleParticipant @bazyle]

I'm getting worried. My front door hasn't been upgraded since installation over 100 years ago. Can I still get out? Did have an upgrade (downgrade) on the loo flush about 50 years ago and thankfully it still worked this morning. Definately got a problem with the bricks as the initial design by the Romans got upgraded to imperial dimensions 400 yeas ago but I didn't get the modern metric replacements when they came in. Will my house get a virus?

[egaParticipant @ega]

Is there a Win 7 user still holding out against these shenanigans who would like free copies of the highly regarded "Windows 7 Inside Out" and Windows 7 Annoyances"?

Having moved to 10 I shall otherwise bin them.

PS I have the corresponding books for Win 7 but I don't suppose anyone wants them?

[egaParticipant @ega]

PPS:

Sorry! I meant corresponding books for XP.

[SillyOldDufferModerator @sillyoldduffer]

Posted by Bazyle on 28/06/2020 11:57:47:

… My front door hasn't been upgraded since …

didn't get the modern metric replacements when they came in. Will my house get a virus?

Few problems with the house equals computer analogy. Houses don't get viruses, computers do. I doubt Mr Bazyle watches 405 line television while Mrs B draws dirty water from a well to boil Long Johns in a Copper…

Dave

[old martParticipant @oldmart]

I found that W8 and 8.1 were quite different from W7 and not popular. But I have followed the upgrade route from 8 to 10 without noticing much difference. If you are thoroughly fed up with Microsoft products, then try Ubuntu, it is rather good.

[old martParticipant @oldmart]

YET ANOTHER DOUBLED POST

Edited By old mart on 28/06/2020 14:35:02

[Michael GilliganParticipant @michaelgilligan61133]

Posted by SillyOldDuffer on 28/06/2020 14:09:18:

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Houses don't get viruses

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But they do harbour them

MichaelG.

[SteviegtrParticipant @steviegtr]

Had W10 on new pc for nearly 2yrs. Apart from some early gremlins, it is pretty good. Like some above, have had every version including all the old DOS. This is far the best.

Steve.

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