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[Mick DobsonParticipant @mickdobson]

Recruitment consultants.

Most of them are about 22 years old. Yes, highly experienced people and very suitable to advise others on who to employ.

Come back in about 30 years.

[Danny M2ZParticipant @dannym2z]

Don't forget ambulace chasing lawyers of the "Had an accident,give us a call. No win – no fee" type.

[pgk pgkParticipant @pgkpgk17461]

Personal hate is call systems where to save money the caller ends up hanging ona line waiting to speak to someone. The time wasted nationally is eye watering and must cost the country more than any saving on staff.

There are some fundamental nonsenses in our modern western societies. The concept of GDP asa measure of a nations wealth – has nothing to do with productivity just a measure of spending within the nation and really only a way of creating unnecessary jobs and cycling tax from the populace. Balance of payments/trade is the only real measure of wealth.

Here we have got so decadent that we are incapable of basic food security with more than 50% imported…worse when we were subjected to agri limits and set-aside payments.

That's enough of that or I'll get into my tirade and the thing gets political and closed down. The best measure of a nations success should be raising intelligence, ability and education. To improve education we really should look at parenting classes for the so-called disadvantaged and disposing of meaningless jobs so 1 parent can stay home for a decent amount of time and be a parent. Instead we seem to measure success by the acquisition of 'stuff' and 'having it large' and binge drinking holidays most of which involve spending money in other countries.

pgk

[pgk pgkParticipant @pgkpgk17461]

I recall a professional colleague who started a consultancy advising on making more profit. The basis of this was that 90% of profit comes from the top 10% of clients and he would show you how to soak them for more.

2 flaws. One that if he was that good then he should be growing his own business instead of wasting my time and secondly that i'd prefer to be so good and efficient and fair on my fees that i gained 20% top customers and 180% profit (ignore the dubious math)

pgk

[HopperParticipant @hopper]

Posted by Anthony Knights on 31/07/2020 07:58:30:

Grumpy old got? Guilty as charged m'lud. By coincidence the following appeared today on the firefox page

**LINK**

Bwahaha. Luvvit. "Too many jobs feel meaningless because they are." That pretty much nails it. When making a cup of coffee is regarded as a skilled trade aka "barista" there is not much meaningfulness left.

[Former MemberParticipant @formermember31755]

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[Mike PooleParticipant @mikepoole82104]

I used to enjoy fixing cars but now I prefer to pay someone else to do it. I did wash my cars during lockdown but the modern slaves do a great job for little money, Sainsbury’s deliver our shopping which relieves us of another drudge task.

Mike

[larry phelan 1Participant @larryphelan1]

I think Bazyle got it just about right.

I might add "Counsellors" since if someone breaks wind these days, they have to go for Counselling.

[magpieParticipant @magpie]

Posted by Phil McAvity on 31/07/2020 09:44:19:

Posted by Bazyle on 30/07/2020 22:54:32:

Army – this was invented to supress the people and protect the monarch with defence of the realm only brought in when said morarch wanted more subjects to supress.

How to insult the memory of the people who made the ultimate sacrifice protecting the privileges we take for granted that others dream of.

Way to go…..

I agree 100% with Bazyle regarding the army. If macho young blokes the world over refused to go killing people and getting themselves killed on behalf of some megalomaniac, who will hide somewhere in a deep hole until the killing is over, then the world would be a much better place. Sad to say that it needs to happen everywhere before wars can end.

[Ron ColvinParticipant @roncolvin83430]

Posted by David Davies 8 on 30/07/2020 22:57:07:

Re parsimony.

I read the following some time ago:-

An engineer is someone who can do for 50p what any old fool can do for a pound.

Dave

Unless they are German automotive engineers, in which case they will do it for €2.22.

[Danny M2ZParticipant @dannym2z]

Posted by magpie on 31/07/2020 10:25:27:

Posted by Phil McAvity on 31/07/2020 09:44:19:

Posted by Bazyle on 30/07/2020 22:54:32:

Army – this was invented to supress the people and protect the monarch with defence of the realm only brought in when said morarch wanted more subjects to supress.

How to insult the memory of the people who made the ultimate sacrifice protecting the privileges we take for granted that others dream of.

Way to go…..

I agree 100% with Bazyle regarding the army. If macho young blokes the world over refused to go killing people and getting themselves killed on behalf of some megalomaniac, who will hide somewhere in a deep hole until the killing is over, then the world would be a much better place. Sad to say that it needs to happen everywhere before wars can end.

Oh how wrong can you be Magpie.

The Army, Royal Air Force and Royal Navy are not about killing people. They are there to protect your country. your family and also your right to make such statements in public . (Try that in Hong Kong nowadays)

If some of the youth of today were conscripted for a year or two to learn a bit about cameraderie, discipline and maybe to learn about their own worth and potential then there might be a few less miscreants roaming around.

As a disclamer: I served 33 years in the ADF, Never killed anybody in all that time and only got close to being killed when an officer who could not read a map misguided my landrover to a place where 84mm mortar bombs were faling like snowdrops all around.

In an idealistic world, Vladimir Putin and Boris Trump would sorft it out in a boxing ring, winner takes all.

Unfortunately I can't see this happening. Also this leaves the Chinese referee a bit suspect

[Robert Atkinson 2Participant @robertatkinson2]

wrong post

Edited By Robert Atkinson 2 on 31/07/2020 11:30:00

[pgk pgkParticipant @pgkpgk17461]

Posted by Phil McAvity on 31/07/2020 09:31:19:

Come the revolution comrades when the oppresson of the proletariate is finally realised, where they rise up against the prerogative and use their entitlement to sieze power and purge the poison of capitalism to install a truly socialist state.

Workers of the world unite!

..the only problem is that it just starts again: Liberte, egalite, fraternite… hasn't egalite'd that long – plenty of social disadvantage. We're no better despite Cromwell or look at the great marxist state and it's oligarchs. There's always those too gullible and those too greedy and those too lazy.

pgk

[Rod RenshawParticipant @rodrenshaw28584]

Anyone remember where the quote "What if they gave a war and nobody came" comes from?

Rod

[Howard LewisParticipant @howardlewis46836]

In Product Cost, I was taught that the cost of an article consisted of Material, labour and overheads. So if anyone was not actually producing, they were an overhead. BUT, you do need folk to sell and service your product, so some level of overheads, other than utilities is needed for the enterprise to be viable.

But, my view is that a lot of jobs would be unneeded, if we weren't so lazy, unskilled, or disabled.

For over forty years I maintained my, and others cars. Now they are much too complicated for me to do that, (Lack of skill and facilities on my part! ) Plus, lying on cold concrete is no longer as thrilling as it used to be!

Electronics are now WAY beyond me, so another lack of skill / facilities.

Some, but not by any means all, evils are a necessity, it seems.

Howard

[Tony Pratt 1Participant @tonypratt1]

Posted by magpie on 31/07/2020 10:25:27:

Posted by Phil McAvity on 31/07/2020 09:44:19:

Posted by Bazyle on 30/07/2020 22:54:32:

Army – this was invented to supress the people and protect the monarch with defence of the realm only brought in when said morarch wanted more subjects to supress.

How to insult the memory of the people who made the ultimate sacrifice protecting the privileges we take for granted that others dream of.

Way to go…..

I agree 100% with Bazyle regarding the army. If macho young blokes the world over refused to go killing people and getting themselves killed on behalf of some megalomaniac, who will hide somewhere in a deep hole until the killing is over, then the world would be a much better place. Sad to say that it needs to happen everywhere before wars can end.

Magpie & Bazle, Think on the below when you are laying in your cosy pits at night.

We sleep safely in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would harm us.

Tony

[magpieParticipant @magpie]

DANNY M2Z & TONY PRATT1, I think you both missed the point. I did say that it would need all young men the world over to refuse joining any army. I would like to know though DANNY, just who were the army protecting us from in Korea, Afghanistan, and Iraq. The only thing the army were defending there was the Bush family profits.

[duncan webster 1Participant @duncanwebster1]

Whilst I will admit that we need people working in coffee shops, I don't think you need an apprenticeship to become a barista. How long can it take to learn to work a coffee machine? A day? A week?

Some London flats are reported to be so small there is no kitchen, so you have to buy all food out, or get it deliveroo'd (is there such a word)

[Former MemberParticipant @formermember31755]

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[Howard LewisParticipant @howardlewis46836]

Parsimonious?

Nay lad, just careful, y'ken!

Howard

[Jon LawesParticipant @jonlawes51698]

I think I'd disagree with the counsellors statement. After my amputation I was more affected than I thought I would be, I requested a chat with a counsellor via my GP, who told me I should man up.

I tried manning up for a bit, then got into a very dark place, from which a counsellor (which I paid for from my own pocket) managed to help me from.

As a side note (unrelated to the above), I wonder how many of the blase comments above were made by people in careers which have brought nothing to society? I spent a few years in motorsport, helping rich people drive round in circles. I should be consigned to the junk pile with all the other narcissitic trades I guess.

[Howard LewisParticipant @howardlewis46836]

"Essential" depends on the circumstances.

In a nice warm dry house, maybe a second TV could be classed as essential.

Adrift in a boat in the middle of the Pacific, an unpeeled potato could well be classed as essential!

Just depends on how desperate we are.

[Pete WhiteParticipant @petewhite15172]

Solicitors should surely deserve a mention, making a simple job complicated and then charging £195 an hour, plus vat Gaaarrrrhhhhh, We perhaps need them sometimes but at a 25 % pay level.

Estate Agents, somehow also manage to make me challenge their worth and performance, or lack of it ? Forgot performance also applies to Solicitors who can't even be  be bothered to talk to you, once they have you on their hook.

lol to most of the posts.

 

Edited By Pete White on 31/07/2020 16:17:35

[Roger ClarkParticipant @rogerclark]

Posted by Phil McAvity on 31/07/2020 14:29:30:

Posted by magpie on 31/07/2020 10:25:27

I agree 100% with Bazyle regarding the army. If macho young blokes the world over refused to go killing people and getting themselves killed on behalf of some megalomaniac, who will hide somewhere in a deep hole until the killing is over, then the world would be a much better place. Sad to say that it needs to happen everywhere before wars can end.

"Macho young blokes". I think you'd best keep half wit comments like this to yourself !!! 😠

Edited By Phil McAvity on 31/07/2020 14:30:06

I agree, these types of comments are not needed in any forum especially in model engineers ones! Also don't forget that our armed forces are multi sexual, they appear at a lot of the natural disasters, and man made ones throughout the world and in this country and put themselves in harms way to protect those who cannot protect themselves.

Roger

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