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  • #199064
    Black Cat2
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      @blackcat256889

      Having spent a long time looking for an MT3 arbor with a 1/2×20 unf thread and failing I phoned one online company to make sure their blank ends were easy to machine,assured they were..Believe me they are not! Trouble is it has to be a drawbar job and they are not available..I dont want to buy a smaller taper and sleeve it as I have to do that at the at the tailstock and am running out of space! .I wonder if anyone knows of a really machineable arbor or could even make one..?
      I m not profficient enoughyet to do a taper and in any case have a few things in a queue waiting..
      Thank you.

      #7735
      Black Cat2
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        @blackcat256889

        where to find

        #199065
        David Clark 13
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          @davidclark13

          Arc euro trade sell screw in tangs for arbors or you could use a length of studding. Try a carbide tipped tool. The arbor is probably case hardened.

          Edited By David Clark 1 on 03/08/2015 19:52:49

          #199066
          paul 1950
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            @paul1950

            get mine off ebay

            #199067
            Clive Hartland
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              @clivehartland94829

              I use a length of studding, make a hexagon end and pin through and Bob's yer Uncle.

              Clive

              #199069
              Black Cat2
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                @blackcat256889

                actually I did try a carbide tipped tool but that dug in..may not have been best quality..Its a small lathe with plastic gears and I dont need to push it for the work i m doing and cant see much point in damaging it fir this! Paul I looked at ebay ..and bought one..trouble is it was a presumably a course 1/2 x20 not fine..it didnt fit!
                If I do ever find another 3mt with a blank end I d be reluctant to buy it as having been assured by the company it was machinable I wonder how many more I could end up buying..Trouble is David its a drawbar I need..tanged ones are rare but available

                #199070
                Black Cat2
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                  @blackcat256889

                  I know RDG do a tanged one..I suppose I could grind the tang off and put a thread in whats leftbut wouldnt the heat harden it too much?!

                  #199071
                  Roderick Jenkins
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                    @roderickjenkins93242

                    I may be totally confused but I think that the OP is looking for a 3MT arbour with a male 1/2" x 20 unf thread on the big end and a female drawbar thread (any size) on the taper end.

                    ARCeuro blank end arbours are pretty tough but I managed to make an arbour for gear cutters out of one. My guess is that the big end could be softened by heating to red with a gas torch and allowing it to cool naturally. Threading the end would then be a bit easier.  Try it with the blank end arbour you've already had a go at.

                    HTH

                    Rod

                    Edit: cross posting:  cutting off the tang and heating the taper end will tend to soften , not harden

                    Edited By Roderick Jenkins on 03/08/2015 20:45:15

                    #199072
                    Black Cat2
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                      @blackcat256889

                      I ll try that Rod..thanks

                      #199074
                      Neil Wyatt
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                        @neilwyatt

                        > If I do ever find another 3mt with a blank end I d be reluctant to buy it as having been assured by the company it was machinable I wonder how many more I could end up buying

                        Usually it's only the blank end that's machinable – did you ask if the taper was soft?

                        If you are content with the taper being from a easily machinable steel, yhy not make your own?

                        Neil

                        #199075
                        IanT
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                          @iant

                          I have a mix of drawbar threads (both Imperial & Metric) on my various MT 1/2/3 based tools and where necessary I simply made short threaded adaptors so that I could use a single drawbar on each machine – the adaptors were very simple to make and I leave them attached…

                          Or am I missing something?

                          Regards,

                          Ian

                          #199076
                          Black Cat2
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                            @blackcat256889

                            sorry Ian..Its not the drawbar thread that matter its all the chucks I have to screw on to the male end..
                            I did phone well known firm Neil-its supposed to be a soft machineable end..I wont go into why I want this in detail buts its a matter of a bit to fit a bit to fit a bit just to make 2 tiny pistons..Then I have to make an oversize die holder..I have borrowed a 50/50 butane/popane gas cylinder will this heat it enough? I have also ordered a tang arbor to grind the end off..I hope something works.Its 2 tiny bits I want to make!!
                            thank you all for your help

                            #199079
                            Black Cat2
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                              @blackcat256889

                              sorry Ian..Its not the drawbar thread that matter its all the chucks I have to screw on to the male end..
                              I did phone well known firm Neil-its supposed to be a soft machineable end..I wont go into why I want this in detail buts its a matter of a bit to fit a bit to fit a bit just to make 2 tiny pistons..Then I have to make an oversize die holder..I have borrowed a 50/50 butane/popane gas cylinder will this heat it enough? I have also ordered a tang arbor to grind the end off..I hope something works.Its 2 tiny bits I want to make!!
                              thank you all for your help

                              #199080
                              Black Cat2
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                                @blackcat256889

                                sorry sent that twice! I dont think I m capable of machining tapers yet and to be honest dont really want to ,yet..Its only for a male thread to screw a chuck onto

                                #199081
                                IanT
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                                  @iant

                                  Ok – just (re)read Rods post.

                                  Well all my blank arbors have been "machineable" but admittedly they are not quite as nice to work with as the "free-cutting" steels I prefer to use generally. So, there could be two components to the OP's problem. The first is maybe working with a slightly tougher material than usual and the second being the "ease" of the actual screw-cutting operation.

                                  I don't know the OPs background and/or experience but I do know that sometimes I have a bit of a 'practice run' on some scrap before I jump into the actual job. It helps me to get everything 'sorted' somehow. Perhaps if the OP tried a practice screw-cutting pass (or two) on some scrap and got that side of things settled, it would help his confidence and then maybe the blank arbor might be less of a problem for him?

                                  Just a thought.

                                  IanT

                                  #199083
                                  Black Cat2
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                                    @blackcat256889

                                    Thanks Ian but I have turned quite a few thingsbefore and this wont!

                                    #199086
                                    Robbo
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                                      @robbo

                                      "I looked at ebay ..and bought one..trouble is it was a presumably a course 1/2 x20 not fine..it didnt fit! "

                                      If its 1/2" x 20 UNF then coarse or fine doesn't come into it – it's UNF. Those I have seen on ebay come from Germany and are intended for mounting drill chucks, which are 1/2" x 20 UNF.

                                      #199106
                                      KWIL
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                                        @kwil

                                        Even Amazon UK sell themsurprise

                                        #199108
                                        Black Cat2
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                                          @blackcat256889

                                          I bought a German one.. it has 1/2×20 on the box and doesnt fit my chucks..Gave up amazon and their ridiculous post charges..
                                          A Tanged one is coming and hopefully I can cut tang off and drill hole in it..

                                          #199111
                                          IanT
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                                            @iant

                                            BC2 – sorry, never quite know peoples abilities on here.

                                            OK, here's my final suggestion. I've used blank arbors where I've needed larger diameter material on them than the 'head' supplied (such as slitting saw holders and small faceplates – that kind of thing). I've generally turned the existing blank down to make sure it's true and then loctited the new piece on. But I've also frequently had to drill them too. In your case you need a narrow head but I don't see why something similar wouldn't work.

                                            Couldn't you cut off the existing 'blank' bit and then drill into the taper's core an inch or two. You could then add a new (free machining) head – either by tapping the hole and screwing it on or simply by Loctiting and pinning it in. True the new head piece up and then screw cut it. In fact if you have a "spoiled" MT3 taper already – this may be a good one to try this approach on.

                                            IanT

                                            #199112
                                            IanT
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                                              @iant

                                              BC2 – sorry takes me a while to type, so didn't see last post – good luck with your Tanged MT.

                                              IanT

                                              #199133
                                              Black Cat2
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                                                @blackcat256889

                                                Thank you Ian cutting off the blank end interesting..

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