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  • #831095
    Dalboy
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      @dalboy

      I have an old Clarkes CBG 8 W dry and wet grinder. Currently, I use the dry side for scotchbrite style wheels for cleaning metal and the slow wet wheel is not being used.

      So my question is this will a diamond cup or bowl wheel be suitable to be run at about 135 RPM. They will fit all be it that I will need to make some parts to mount it.

      This is the type and size I am looking at.

      I can make an adjustable table for it. I will be looking at sharpening some of my lathe tools.

      #831102
      noel shelley
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        @noelshelley55608

        NO  ! You  will quickly destroy the wheel at that speed. Diamond is fine for carbide but a white wheel for tool steel. In both cases run at their correct cutting speed. Noel.

        #831131
        Dalboy
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          @dalboy
          On noel shelley Said:

          NO  ! You  will quickly destroy the wheel at that speed. Diamond is fine for carbide but a white wheel for tool steel. In both cases run at their correct cutting speed. Noel.

          Thank you, Noel, I did wonder if it was too slow

          #831132
          John Hinkley
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            @johnhinkley26699

            Stefan Gotteswinter made a slow speed lap for carbide tooling Here  which uses a diamond disc and metal-backed ceramic disc, with or without diamond paste applied.  He uses his for putting a final polished edge on his solid carbide cutting tools.  His wheel turns at 230 to 240 rpm.

            A YouTube search for “(s)low speed grinder” will throw up alternatives, too, though I haven’t watched any of them.

            John

             

            #831144
            Pete Rimmer
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              @peterimmer30576

              My diamond grinder runs at 400rpm. Used for the same ourpose as Stefans.

              #831165
              Bazyle
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                @bazyle

                The wheels you linked are intended for regular pro shop fast grinders with a table along each end (eg Delta Diamond). The diamond impregnated rubber must be handled gently not like a carbide wheel. Lapping / honing machines are a different beast and run slower to avoid flinging the paste all over the operator.

                #831169
                Dalboy
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                  @dalboy

                  Thank you all for the various bits of info.

                  I will have a look at some of the U tube slow grinder options when I have a few minutes, but the Stefan Gotteswinter idea maybe a good way to use the slow speed on the grinder.

                  I do have another grinder which has a grey coarse wheel and a wide white wheel on it, as well as a slow wet grinder designed for sharpening woodworking tools which it is kept for them only.

                   

                   

                  #831197
                  Vic
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                    @vic

                    Is there any particular reason to run a diamond grinder so slow?

                    Edit: This seems to work ok and it seems to be running quite fast?

                    https://youtu.be/h4xzwI2LVio

                    #831210
                    Dalboy
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                      @dalboy
                      On Vic Said:

                      Is there any particular reason to run a diamond grinder so slow?

                      Edit: This seems to work ok and it seems to be running quite fast?

                      https://youtu.be/h4xzwI2LVio

                      I was trying to make use of the slow side of the grinder.

                      My grinding table the heater is now set up somewhere else. The whole table/draw unit is on casters. I do have a spare motor which runs at 1250RPM which I could mount where the heater wasgrinders (1)

                      #831266
                      old mart
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                        @oldmart

                        That wheel will run at higher speeds than you will be using, but there is a limitation for using diamond wheels which may not have been mentioned. Diamond is a form of carbon and iron has an affinity for carbon, it dissolves easily into iron. So if you sharpen a lot of HSS the wheel will suffer. Diamond is best used for carbide and for all types of iron a cubic boron nitride wheel would be more suitable. That said, I have two electroplated type diamond wheels at the museum which get used touching up HSS occasionally and they still work. These metal centre wheels are much safer to use than ordinary wheels which can explode, especially when stupid people who cannot read the warning notices grind aluminium.

                        #831279
                        noel shelley
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                          @noelshelley55608

                          AH YES ! Grinding aluminium, I’ll say little except to suggest you look up The Thermit Process. ME a number of years ago reported on the terrible injuries caused when a fellow used a bench grinder – unaware that someone had used it to grind aluminium previously.  It’s a chemical fire that will reach about 2500*c.  Noel.

                          #831300
                          Nicholas Farr
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                            @nicholasfarr14254

                            Hi, running any grinding wheel slower than the design speed range, will wear the wheel away faster, and the slower you go, will cause the wear to be faster. Running them faster than the designed speed range, risks the wheel to fracture. Grinding or cutting aluminium with an abrasive disc, should only be done with a disc that is designed for aluminium.

                            Regards Nick.

                            #831307
                            Pete Rimmer
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                              @peterimmer30576

                              You can grind aluminium with a silicon carbide wheel and tallow or beeswax to dress it with (after diamond dressing). Needs plenty of coolant too.

                              #831339
                              old mart
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                                @oldmart

                                The aluminium gets ground into the wheel surface as lumps and it can explode a wheel by its high thermal expansion.

                                #831354
                                Vic
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                                  @vic
                                  On Dalboy Said:
                                  On Vic Said:

                                  Is there any particular reason to run a diamond grinder so slow?

                                  Edit: This seems to work ok and it seems to be running quite fast?

                                  https://youtu.be/h4xzwI2LVio

                                  I was trying to make use of the slow side of the grinder.

                                  My grinding table the heater is now set up somewhere else. The whole table/draw unit is on casters. I do have a spare motor which runs at 1250RPM which I could mount where the heater wasgrinders (1)

                                  Sorry. Yes I know why you wanted to use an existing grinder. I just wondered why others were advocating low speeds?
                                  I had a grinder like that. The inside was very poorly constructed, particularly the main shaft.

                                  I think You could probably remove the gearbox and mount a grindstone directly on the shaft?

                                   

                                  #831371
                                  Pete Rimmer
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                                    @peterimmer30576
                                    On old mart Said:

                                    The aluminium gets ground into the wheel surface as lumps and it can explode a wheel by its high thermal expansion.

                                    Yes but not if you do it properly. Stuffing aluminium into a normal bench grinder wheel is a recipe for a blinding headache.

                                    #831420
                                    noel shelley
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                                      @noelshelley55608

                                      My mention of grinding aluminium had nothing to do with burst wheels but the chemistry of aluminium powder and the sparks from grinding iron or steel which is the source of iron oxide that will produce a highly exothermic reaction. This will take place in the guard of the of the grinder and direct the jet of super heated gas at the operators chest and face.

                                      This is NOT theory I often see it happen in miniature as I work with both steel and aluminium, grinding both one will oft times see a small white flash on the floor where a spark has ignited a particle of aluminium. The brave, curious or foolish can play about with the idea and will see what I mean !  Noel.

                                      #831473
                                      Pete Rimmer
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                                        @peterimmer30576

                                        One of my fellow apprentices at work used to do it deliberately on the belt grinder when I was a teenager. He used to light it off using a glowing cigarette end and blowing on the dust pile, then flick it off to make an impressive fireball.

                                        #831536
                                        old mart
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                                          @oldmart

                                          Aluminium is prohibited from coal mines because it reacts with rusty iron and steel and there is a lot of carbon dust if things get hot enough. The carbon in steel is the reactive agent with aluminium when grinding.

                                          Our grinders at work would only grind aluminium with a good coolant flow to prevent any getting stuck in the wheels.

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