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    Speedy Builder5
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      @speedybuilder5

      Wood, looks like oak but only about 60% of the weight.  Probably used by a coffin carpenter (deceased) as I was given some offcuts when the workshop was closed down.

      It machines OK, not laminate and has a coarser structure.

      Any ideas?

      Bob

      #819727
      Diogenes
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        @diogenes

        You’d have to post a picture, I think, Bob – identifying wood relies on subtle colour changes, the layout of the rings, veins, and rays, and sometimes even how light reflects off it or not..

        #819753
        noel shelley
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          @noelshelley55608

          If old and dry it could be elm, not uncommon in coffins. Need a picture. Noel.

          #819760
          not done it yet
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            @notdoneityet

            It’ll be treewood, for definite.

            #819779
            Georgineer
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              @georgineer

              identifying wood

              #819796
              Speedy Builder5
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                @speedybuilder5

                In this first photo, the short piece at the bottom is definite oak, hard and “heavy”. The piece in the centre and the base board look like oak but are less heavy.

                 

                Photo 1

                In the second photo, the piece on the left is definite oak, the centre is oak look alike and the base board is definite oak.  So what is my mystery wood ?

                Photo 2

                #819797
                Speedy Builder5
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                  @speedybuilder5

                  OOPS, I think I have confused myself as the baseboard is the same in both photos.  I will have to go back to the workshop !!

                   

                  #819799
                  Andrew Crow
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                    @andrewcrow91475

                    To definitely identify oak, look on the end grain for evidence of the medullary rays. Other timbers can look like oak ie elm but don’t have the medullary rays and vice versa.

                    Andy

                    #819801
                    Martin Kyte
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                      @martinkyte99762

                      Oak has a very specific taste. (Oxalic Acid) If you don’t know what it tastes like calibrate your tongue on a known bit of oak. Medullary rays are a good indication as has been said.

                      #819808
                      noel shelley
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                        @noelshelley55608

                        Medullary rays – about the only thing I remember from school woodwork. The base board by the grain puts me in the mind that it is elm. AH more pictures ,  grain looks rather open for elm but it could have been a series of wet years. Colour a bit pale, plan B Ash but grain looks to open.

                        I keep looking, still think it’s Elm, country pub bar tops and coffins !  Noel.

                        #819810
                        Speedy Builder5
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                          @speedybuilder5

                          On the left is oak, the right is the unknown.

                          Photo3

                          End grain. Left Oak, right unknown.

                          Photo 4

                           

                          #819813
                          Diogenes
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                            @diogenes
                            On noel shelley Said:

                            ..the grain puts me in the mind that it is elm. Noel.

                            +1

                             

                            #819816
                            Martin Kyte
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                              @martinkyte99762

                              Elm is about 80% the density of oak.

                              Traditionally used for making village Stocks and narrow boat bottoms. It resists rot in wet conditions.

                              #819823
                              Dalboy
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                                @dalboy

                                It could possibly be Sweet Chestnut.

                                For help To identify wood grain is THIS site

                                #819825
                                Graham Meek
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                                  @grahammeek88282

                                  My first choice would be Elm, given the knot detail in the main board. The second choice would be Chestnut from the straight grain in the smaller sample.

                                  Oak definitely has a distinctive smell as well as taste. Elm on the other hand has a totally different smell.

                                  Regards

                                  Gray,

                                  #819837
                                  Speedy Builder5
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                                    @speedybuilder5

                                    I think ELM fits the description.  Oak is about 45lb/ft cubed and Elm 34lb/ft cubed.  It would have made the coffins lighter – all that before Dutch elm disease!

                                    Bob

                                    #819849
                                    Martin Kyte
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                                      @martinkyte99762

                                      Apparently there are plenty of Elm trees in Scotland. Dutch Elm Disease didn’t spread that far north. It’s a great shame as they were a lovely tree.

                                      #819858
                                      Diogenes
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                                        @diogenes
                                        #819859
                                        Michael Gilligan
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                                          @michaelgilligan61133

                                          For a convenient visual reference … Elm was widely used for the seats of ‘Windsor’ stick-back chairs.

                                          MichaelG.

                                          #820556
                                          Sam Stones
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                                            @samstones42903

                                            Almost definitely wood, Bob.

                                            Cheers,

                                            Sam (aka Dennis)

                                            Still alive and kicking 🙂

                                             

                                            #820593
                                            Graham Meek
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                                              @grahammeek88282

                                              Welcome back Sam, it has been a while since we last exchanged emails.

                                              Regards

                                              Gray,

                                              #820595
                                              howardb
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                                                @howardb

                                                There are about 500 species of oak, and they can also hybridise.

                                                We have at least 3 obvious variants on our property in France.

                                                The majority are like the english oak where the acorns form close to the twig, and the other sort where the acorn hangs from a long stalk.

                                                Sessile and peduncular as wiki calls them.

                                                We also have a small oddball tree which defies all attempts at identification.

                                                This probably makes identifying the timber just as difficult.

                                                 

                                                #820651
                                                Sam Stones
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                                                  @samstones42903

                                                  Thanks for your response, Gray.

                                                  Yes, quite a while. My recollections go back to about June 2010 when, (having lost the 1972 drawings) I needed and got lots of help in finishing John Stevens’ skeleton clock.

                                                  In reaching out, it also opened up a whole new world of friendships, and an opportunity to share ideas and solutions. What a wonderful mix.

                                                  When the magazine was given a digital ‘uplift’, I lost patience in coming to terms with the new look. The ‘old coat’ was much easier to wear. There was also a couple of changes in dwellings, which brought with them less freedom to tinker and ‘do stuff’. So my PC is where I spend much of my time.

                                                  Sadly, especially in the past five years, several of my ‘pen pals’ have left us. Not that I’ve gone unscathed, but that’s another story. My safety-net appears to have been good old vitamin D. If I can, I’ll include my graphic, in which I felt obliged to conceal my real age, weight, and BMI. Beware, however, what I do may not suit your own situation.

                                                  Howard, your knowledge of the intricacies of wood, reminded me of my late school chum who migrated to Canada. Although we lost touch for many years, I feel sure he knew his woods living on 45 acres. Is that a pun?

                                                  Keep safe everyone.

                                                  Cheers,

                                                  Sam (aka Dennis)

                                                  Vit D - 7-6-25 - 08 - Cropped

                                                  #820719
                                                  Graham Meek
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                                                    @grahammeek88282

                                                    Hi Sam,

                                                    I have sent you a PM.

                                                    Regards

                                                    Gray,

                                                    #820779
                                                    Sam Stones
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                                                      @samstones42903

                                                      Bob (Speedy Builder5),

                                                      My apologies for piggybacking your thread.

                                                      Best wishes,

                                                      Sam

                                                       

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