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    bernard towers
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      I am fortunate to have been gifted just over 1/2kg of silver solder, most of which is identifiable in rod and strip but there are 7 flat strips 0.128″ wide x 0.052″ thick 18″ long. They are a coppery colour and have SILVER-0 stamped on them. They seem to need flux to use them and the result is very silvery. Anyone have any ideas?

      #817060
      Martin Kyte
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        @martinkyte99762

        Are you sure they dont say SILVER FLO

        #817073
        bernard towers
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          @bernardtowers37738

          No definitely SILVER-O and the copper colour rubs off with two strokes of a red 3m pad.

          #817088
          Andrew Tinsley
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            @andrewtinsley63637

            Must have at least 8 Kgs of silver solder wire. which is very, very, slightly tinged a coppery colour, which does not rub off! I would love to know what it is. I suppose I could do a test to determine the melting point, But even if done accurately, would this be sufficient to make a positive identification?

            Andrew.

            #817092
            Michael Gilligan
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              @michaelgilligan61133

              If you have that much, Andrew … it would probably be worth finding a scrap dealer who has an XRF ‘gun’

              MichaelG.

              #817103
              Dave Halford
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                @davehalford22513

                I’ve seen strip called jewellers solder

                #817114
                Bill Phinn
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                  @billphinn90025

                  The two brazing alloys I’m familiar with that have a thin copper exterior are Johnson Matthey’s Silbralloy and GoGas’s AR2422.

                  They are both phosphorous-bearing copper alloys for the fluxless brazing of copper to copper. They need a separate flux if a copper alloy parent metal such as brass is involved, and they should not be used on ferrous or nickel-bearing metals as they make for brittle joints.

                  Silver-0 may be a no-longer-manufactured phosphorous-bearing copper alloy that has zero silver content.

                  #817124
                  Bo’sun
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                    @bosun58570

                    Not sure if this is useful, but I used something very much like this at school, snipped into paillons, for silver soldering mild steel.

                    #817132
                    Speedy Builder5
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                      @speedybuilder5

                      just be wary that the phosphorus bearing alloys are for copper/brass/bronze and not for steel. if used on steel, the joint breaks down and fails.  Its used quite a lot in the air con industries and here in France (Castolin 808 with 6% silver) used a lot by plumbers instead of lead free solder.

                      Bob

                      #817137
                      SillyOldDuffer
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                        @sillyoldduffer

                        None of my books list “Silver-O”, so I guess it’s a long gone brand-name.  Doesn’t help my books list silver solders by their standard identifiers, only occasionally mentioning brand-names.

                        There are hundreds of Silver-solders, formulated for Steel, Copper, Aluminium, or to flow well, fillet, or gap-fill, at low or high temperatures etc.  Variants galore: for specialist purposes, made for cheapness, or to reduce the need for flux.   Seems the industrial countries all had several makers doing their own thing, and not many proprietary alloys survived.  Silver-O could be anything.

                        Michael’s suggestion of an XRF gun is best I think.  Many scrappies have them, as does anyone dealing in precious metals.   Not easy to identify silver solder from melting point alone as Andrew asked – they’re fairly close together.  In the old days, a conventional chemical analysis looking for the usual suspects (Tin, Cadmium, Indium, Manganese, Silicon, Phosphorous, and Copper) and carefully weighing.  The % of Silver is a strong clue.   Sadly, conventional analysis was already passée when I was at school, so probably difficult to assemble the wherewithal today.  Anyone own a chemical balance and a set of reagents!

                        Failing that try it.  If Silver-O doesn’t braze Steel, could be for Copper, or cast-iron, etc.   One of the common alloys will “just work” in the usual way, hurrah.  But it might take many experiments to find out what an exotic solder is good for.  If it doesn’t work like a common solder without fuss, I’d scrap it.  Might result in weak joints or be poisonous.   I’m all for recycling and saving money, but is it worth risking any job with an unknown solder?

                        Dave

                        #817149
                        JA
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                          @ja

                          I think this is a case of who do you know.

                          A mass spectrometer, which has replaced SOD’s chemical analysis, will tell you what is in the solder in minutes. These are found in large engineering companies and most universities. Once you have found the right contact the cost of analysis may be very small. He or she is unlikely to be more than two persons away from you so start asking everyone you trust.

                          JA

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