ER 25 straight shank holder.

ER 25 straight shank holder.

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  • #816114
    Lee Rogers
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      @leerogers95060

      I’m looking for a 1″ straight shank ER 25 collet chuck in the UK.

      Plenty of metric ones to be found in the usual places

      but 1 inch seems to be only available from the USA

      at an arm and leg price. Thanks in advance.

      #816127
      DC31k
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        @dc31k

        See:

        https://www.mscdirect.co.uk/interstate-er25-x-1in-straight-shank-extension-eri-48370b

        MSCdirect, having a US parent, is one of the few UK sources for imperial stuff.

        Try finding an imperial shank edge finder here…

        Outside chance is Gloster Tooling as they sometimes have imperial stuff.

        #816134
        Bill Phinn
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          @billphinn90025
          On DC31k Said:

          MSCdirect, having a US parent, is one of the few UK sources for imperial stuff.

          Try finding an imperial shank edge finder here…

          Outside chance is Gloster Tooling as they sometimes have imperial stuff.

          Zoro UK, aka Cromwell, has a US parent and imperial edge finders.

          And imperial straight shank ER25 collet chucks.

          #816136
          Diogenes
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            @diogenes

            Can’t you stick a standard one in a capstan sleeve?

            EDIT – RDG and Chronos both occasionally have Imperial ‘oddities’ kicking around, might be worth calling esp. RDG

            #816149
            Martin Connelly
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              @martinconnelly55370

              Having put threads onto the parallel shanks of ER16 collet holders I would get a Ø32 one and reduce it to 1″ if you can find one with a solid shank. Alternatively cut it down in length and thread the stump and fit a 1″ shank to it.

              Martin C

              PS if you are going to put a new shank on it get one with smaller shank if it is cheaper, thread that and put the new shank over it may be an option, but may be less rigid.

              #816181
              DC31k
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                @dc31k
                On Martin Connelly Said:

                …put the new shank over it may be an option, but may be less rigid.

                That raises the question of ‘how much less rigid?’.

                Let us say we had a 25mm solid shaft; we can calculate the second moment of area.

                Now assume that shaft is made from a 16mm solid bar with a 4.5mm wall tube shrink fitted over it. Where would we find the maths to determine its I value?

                #816187
                Michael Gilligan
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                  @michaelgilligan61133
                  On DC31k Said:
                  […] Where would we find the maths to determine its I value?

                  Start by calculating the stiffness of the tube

                  Then add the [much lower] stiffness of the shaft

                  BUT … the tricky-to-calculate bit would be the risks of

                  1. slippage between the components
                  2. stress-raising at the region where the shank abuts the chuck

                  To a first reasonable approximation, however, the stiffness of the tube would probably suffice.

                  FEM at this level is probably within the scope of a modern CAD package.

                  MichaelG.

                  #816228
                  Lee Rogers
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                    @leerogers95060

                    Thanks to all for the input which has as usual prompted some novel solutions.

                    I think that the MSC option at £60 ish will be my best bet . It’s going on to a Quorn T&C grinder

                    so accuracy for end mill sharpening is my goal. I will be giving them a ring to confirm that it is

                    actually 1 inch because if you scroll down to the spec section it is described as 25mm , odd that!

                    I’ll post here if the conversation is more interesting than it should be.

                    #816292
                    ianj
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                      @ians

                      Hi Lee.

                      I’m in a similair search for my Quorn. At the moment I have a 2MT ER25 chuck in a 1″ od capstan sleeve which is ok. The closest I found were ER20 OR ER32 with 1″ shank chucks from CTC tools,https://www.ctctools.biz/er-collet-chucks/?sort=featured&page=2

                       

                      I think the one from MSC will be £82 + postage.

                       

                      Let us know how you go on.

                      #816318
                      Vic
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                        @vic

                        What about sleeving a 16mm or 20mm dia shank ER25 chuck? Plenty of cheap ones on eBay.

                        #816333
                        Michael Gilligan
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                          @michaelgilligan61133

                          It’ not like you, Vic to overlook a whole chunk of the earlier discussion

                          MichaelG.

                          #816348
                          DC31k
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                            @dc31k
                            On ianj Said:

                            …from CTC tools

                            …who are not in the UK, which we must at least acknowledge was a specification of the original post.

                            I say this as a satisfied customer of CTC.

                            On further reflection of the lower rigidity of a sleeved item, if either the sleeve or the inner item were of a stiffer (higher E-value) material than the solid original, the bending stiffness could be increased over that of a homogonous solid item.

                            The crux of the matter is the behaviour of the connection between the two, which is still a mystery.

                            #816353
                            JasonB
                            Moderator
                              @jasonb

                              Why not bring the Quorn upto date and future proof it. Get a second casting from Reeves and bore it out to 25mm rather than the existing 1″. Or just cut an new one from solid, fabricate or 3D metal print.

                              #816362
                              Michael Gilligan
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                                @michaelgilligan61133
                                On DC31k Said:
                                […] The crux of the matter is the behaviour of the connection between the two, which is still a mystery.

                                Unless they are truly locked-together at a molecular level, the safe assumption is that there will be slippage … hence my suggestion of simple addition of their stiffnesses.

                                MichaelG.

                                #816367
                                JasonB
                                Moderator
                                  @jasonb

                                  Now that we know the holder is being used in a Quorn does rigidity really really come into it? The work (cutter) is just going to be kissed by a grinding wheel not be used to take heavy milling cuts.

                                  Concentricity would be what I’d be looking for.

                                  #816376
                                  Michael Gilligan
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                                    @michaelgilligan61133
                                    On Michael Gilligan Said:
                                    On DC31k Said:
                                    […] Where would we find the maths to determine its I value?

                                    Start by calculating the stiffness of the tube

                                    Then add the [much lower] stiffness of the shaft

                                    […]

                                    As everything else is constant … we only have to juggle with the fourth powers of the numbers 25.4 and16.0

                                    To a first reasonable approximation, however, the stiffness of the tube would probably suffice.

                                    416231.4256 – 65536 = 350695.4256

                                    Q.E.D.

                                    .

                                    IMG_1078

                                    .

                                    MichaelG.

                                    #816475
                                    Martin Connelly
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                                      @martinconnelly55370

                                      For the Quorn, why not buy some 0.2mm shim stock to fill the gap between 24.4mm bore and 25mm shank? Less than £3 for a sheet 100mm x 100mm.

                                      Martin C

                                      #816486
                                      duncan webster 1
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                                        @duncanwebster1

                                        DC31K suggestion of significantly higher youngs modulus would work if you could find such a material. Sounds like unobtainium.

                                        Even if there were slippage between a sleeve and a shank, you can just add their I values. In fact if the sleeve was shrunk or loctited on I doubt you’d get slippage under the light loads from grinding and so could just treat it as a solid shaft. A more expensive solution would be to get a 25mm shank plated and then ground to 1″. Probably cheaper to import from USA

                                        #816499
                                        martin haysom
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                                          @martinhaysom48469

                                          why not do as i did and buy it from China. cheap, quick delivery  and well made. got two in my Bonelle.

                                          #816502
                                          martin haysom
                                          Participant
                                            @martinhaysom48469

                                            should have said only one is er 25 with a 1″shank the one in the grinding head is a bit smaller

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