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  • #515055
    Dave Halford
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      link

      It's hard to understand how these people sleep at night.

      #36208
      Dave Halford
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        #515056
        Brian H
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          @brianh50089

          I don't see how this relates to Model Engineering.

          Brian

          #515057
          Dave Halford
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            @davehalford22513
            Posted by Brian H on 23/12/2020 10:39:35:

            I don't see how this relates to Model Engineering.

            Brian

            Tea room Brian, tea room, also some of us have insulated our workshops with their products.

            #515061
            Ady1
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              @ady1

              Nothing new, business as usual

              If the inquiry follows the usual route through the system we get the legal bods making millions and

              "Lessons will be learned!"

              as a conclusion

              …while it gets dropped in the bin

              (then rinse and repeat at the next event)

              ————————–

              They opened a 900 kid school with no completion certificate in Edinburgh

              Kid killed by a collapsing wall

              The local government guys should really be in jail

              Edited By Ady1 on 23/12/2020 11:22:21

              #515072
              Tony Pratt 1
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                @tonypratt1

                "Lessons will be learned!" God how I hate that often repeated phrase!!!!

                Tony

                #515080
                John Haine
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                  @johnhaine32865

                  Well, local authorities have been starved of funds for years and building inspections privatised. LAs have extremely limited resources to supervise contracts. Pay is so poor in planning and building control that anyone with real ability learns the ropes then gets poached by developers to apply their knowledge to gaming the system.

                  #515090
                  Anthony Kendall
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                    @anthonykendall53479
                    Posted by John Haine on 23/12/2020 12:29:49:

                    Well, local authorities have been starved of funds for years ….

                    Don't think so – I keep giving them more money all the time to spend incompetently – then they complain it's the government's fault.

                    #515114
                    Ady1
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                      @ady1

                      There was once a time when local authorities were a community asset but nowadays they are a massive liability, a corrupt millstone fastened around the neck of society

                      #515120
                      Clive Hartland
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                        @clivehartland94829

                        Local Councils take their pension cut, I understand that 14% of monies paid in Council tax go towards pensions for their staff.

                        #515123
                        Ady1
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                          @ady1

                          30% in Edinburgh

                          Our clergy are very good to themselves

                          Reaping the rewards of being a failure seems to be the modern standard to strive for

                          #515125
                          Tony Pratt 1
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                            @tonypratt1
                            Posted by Ady1 on 23/12/2020 14:25:56:

                            30% in Edinburgh

                            Our clergy are very good to themselves

                            Reaping the rewards of being a failure seems to be the modern standard to strive for

                            Ain't that the truth! angry

                            Tony

                            #515129
                            John Baron
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                              @johnbaron31275

                              I can only agree ! But we keep voting them in…

                              #515144
                              Bob Stevenson
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                                @bobstevenson13909

                                John,…..No, council officers and managers are NOT "voted" in by anybody and exert massive power over the elected councilors,..at least in the local authority where I live.

                                Going back to Grenfell…..I see that the head of the company that supplied the dogey panels still won't talk to the enquiry and, get this!….is a part time fire chief somewhere in France!!?

                                #515176
                                Dave Halford
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                                  @davehalford22513

                                  Guys you can kick the council all you want, but to refer you to point one on the BBC link. When manufacturers do that how does a council find out?

                                  Edited By Dave Halford on 23/12/2020 17:26:59

                                  #515264
                                  Neil Wyatt
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                                    @neilwyatt

                                    I feel the need to lock this thread, but please remember the vast bulk of LA pensions go to staff, not elected officials.

                                    This includes the cliche of 'binmen and dinner ladies', all of whom deserve a pension

                                    And if you only look at council tax and ignore other sources of local authority income you obviously see the pension bill as disprportionately large.

                                    -what you should do is compare the contributions to the wage bill.

                                    Neil

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