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  • #495327
    Michael Gilligan
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      @michaelgilligan61133

      My brother asked if I could identify this … but I failed sad

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      It’s made of Brass [or possibly Bronze] and was found on a School Playing Field in the 1960s

      Currently doing good service as a door-stop … but what was it ?

      Any ideas ?

      The stamped number is R2019 … but that got me nowhere.

      MichaelG.

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      #36059
      Michael Gilligan
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        @michaelgilligan61133
        #495330
        SillyOldDuffer
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          @sillyoldduffer

          Too easy. It's a javelin gauge.

          At my school we used to sneak round a corner and throw them at a wooden door. Never occurred to us someone might open it! Stupid boys…

          Dave

          #495331
          Michael Gilligan
          Participant
            @michaelgilligan61133

            Thanks, Dave

            I’ve chucked a few javelins … or maybe it was the same one every time dont know

            but never seen a gauge

            MichaelG.

            #495344
            Clive Hartland
            Participant
              @clivehartland94829

              This component isembeded into a cement base( it is in the picture upside down) the threaded hole will have a support of some sort being used by a surveyor.

              I have seen several different kinds and have a couple I chop chop up for small items I make.

              So my £ worth it is a surveying marker.

              Clive

              #495345
              Michael Gilligan
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                @michaelgilligan61133

                Oh dear … I’ve already told my brother the answer that Dave gave

                What with him now being one of those authoritative Moderator types

                MichaelG.

                #495347
                Nicholas Farr
                Participant
                  @nicholasfarr14254

                  Hi, Clive may well be correct, I was wondering about the threaded hole. The company I used to work for many years ago had large heavy concrete blocks cast into solid stable ground in parts of the exhausted quarries, with a bronze plate with a pin sticking from it and surveyors used to come every six months or so for several years to check any subsidence of the land surrounding the old quarries. looking at the rule, the round disc part is about the size these embedded bronze plates were.

                  Regards Nick.

                  #495361
                  Michael Gilligan
                  Participant
                    @michaelgilligan61133

                    Regarding the ‘threaded hole’ …

                    Here is the first photo that he sent [before I asked for dimensions]:

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                    There are two holes … very poorly positioned relative to the cast features.

                    I had therefore assumed them to to be part if its history, rather than part of its design.

                    MichaelG.

                    #495362
                    John McNamara
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                      @johnmcnamara74883

                      Yes I know this is a segway… assuming the part is a survey mark

                      It's Been a while since I posted on this forum. The past couple of years have been very hectic.
                      Next Wednesday we pick up the keys to a new house. After 38 years in one house we are moving to the hills about a 45 minute drive from Melbourne.

                      I wish to build a new shed and in order to do so the council requires survey, I was on site when this was done in order to discuss the location. And yes the EPOXY CNC mill post on this forum will continue when the shed to house it is built.

                      A Land survey starts not at your property but at the known reference points in the area. One of those points was in a council field nearby, about a foot below the grass! Using the very accurate GPS station that surveyors use he had no problem locating it. The surveyor told me that there are many of these hidden reference marks around the city. The importance of the mark determines how it is founded, the more important ones may sit on hidden but massive concrete foundations.

                      #495382
                      SillyOldDuffer
                      Moderator
                        @sillyoldduffer
                        Posted by Michael Gilligan on 11/09/2020 22:28:37:

                        Oh dear … I’ve already told my brother the answer that Dave gave

                        What with him now being one of those authoritative Moderator types

                        Promotion to Moderator made me instantly more intelligent, knowledgable and wiser than other men! Comedian too…

                        dont know

                        #495385
                        Rod Renshaw
                        Participant
                          @rodrenshaw28584

                          Looks like one of those things they sell in kitchen shops to measure out portions of spaghetti.

                          Rod

                          #495393
                          Michael Gilligan
                          Participant
                            @michaelgilligan61133
                            Posted by SillyOldDuffer on 12/09/2020 10:26:13:

                            Posted by Michael Gilligan on 11/09/2020 22:28:37:

                            Oh dear … I’ve already told my brother the answer that Dave gave

                            What with him now being one of those authoritative Moderator types

                            Promotion to Moderator made me instantly more intelligent, knowledgable and wiser than other men! Comedian too…

                            dont know

                            .

                            Duly noted, Dave

                            Brother and I both spent some time last night looking at stuff like this: **LINK**

                            https://www.getrasport.com/out/media/englBedienungsanleitungSpeermessbox.pdf

                            crying 2

                            MichaelG.

                            #495411
                            Neil Wyatt
                            Moderator
                              @neilwyatt
                              Posted by John McNamara on 12/09/2020 07:32:31:

                              Yes I know this is a segway… assuming the part is a survey mark

                              It's Been a while since I posted on this forum. The past couple of years have been very hectic.
                              Next Wednesday we pick up the keys to a new house. After 38 years in one house we are moving to the hills about a 45 minute drive from Melbourne.

                              I wish to build a new shed and in order to do so the council requires survey, I was on site when this was done in order to discuss the location. And yes the EPOXY CNC mill post on this forum will continue when the shed to house it is built.

                              A Land survey starts not at your property but at the known reference points in the area. One of those points was in a council field nearby, about a foot below the grass! Using the very accurate GPS station that surveyors use he had no problem locating it. The surveyor told me that there are many of these hidden reference marks around the city. The importance of the mark determines how it is founded, the more important ones may sit on hidden but massive concrete foundations.

                              In older parts of the UK we often have benchmarks, typically what looks like a 'WD' arrow but usually with a horizontal line above.

                              benchmark

                              #495422
                              Clive Hartland
                              Participant
                                @clivehartland94829

                                Re. bench marks. there are a lot of them around here in Medway. Chatham and Gillingham.

                                Goes back to when the area was surveyed by the Royal Engineers to fix lines of sight for guns on the Hoath Artillery postion. and a camp alongside the A2 which had lots of tunnels and embrasures for guns.. ( Later turned into a mushroom farm) but all gone now and made into a business park.

                                In fact until the late fifties most houses on the Gillingham to Rainham area had a military covenanant to allow demolition in case of an invasion through the Thames/Medway Estuary. My Mother had to pay some money to have it removed. Thiis was because of, 'Line of sight' for the guns.

                                My Bro. has one cut in the brickwork of his cottage at a place called Sharps green.

                                #495428
                                Speedy Builder5
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                                  @speedybuilder5

                                  Something petroleum industry based, made of bronze to eliminate sparks from impact of other metal objects ?

                                  #495430
                                  Merddyn’s Dad
                                  Participant
                                    @merddynsdad

                                    Going back to javelins, could it be mounted on a post to straighten bent ones?

                                    When I was a skool the javelins were all sorts of shapes, probably 'cos we didn't have one of these.

                                    #495474
                                    Meunier
                                    Participant
                                      @meunier
                                      Posted by Michael Gilligan on 12/09/2020 11:32:12:

                                      Posted by SillyOldDuffer on 12/09/2020 10:26:13:

                                      Posted by Michael Gilligan on 11/09/2020 22:28:37:

                                      Oh dear … I’ve already told my brother the answer that Dave gave

                                      What with him now being one of those authoritative Moderator types

                                      Promotion to Moderator made me instantly more intelligent, knowledgable and wiser than other men! Comedian too…

                                      dont know

                                      .

                                      Duly noted, Dave

                                      Brother and I both spent some time last night looking at stuff like this: **LINK**

                                      https://www.getrasport.com/out/media/englBedienungsanleitungSpeermessbox.pdf

                                      crying 2

                                      MichaelG.

                                      Hoist with own petard Dave, methinks

                                      DaveD

                                      #495533
                                      ega
                                      Participant
                                        @ega
                                        Posted by Clive Hartland on 12/09/2020 14:11:14:

                                        Re. bench marks. there are a lot of them around here in Medway. Chatham and Gillingham.

                                        Interesting information about my own local area.

                                        I had thought that benchmarks were shown on on the OS map but so far as I can see the nearest thing is the "triangulation" point.

                                        #495536
                                        Clive Hartland
                                        Participant
                                          @clivehartland94829

                                          I am not absolutely sure but I think that the horizontal mark iis to determine elevation, I have a couple around here that state the hieght. One says, '48 feet'.

                                          #495537
                                          Michael Gilligan
                                          Participant
                                            @michaelgilligan61133

                                            Posted by ega on 13/09/2020 09:53:09:

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                                            I had thought that benchmarks were shown on on the OS map but so far as I can see the nearest thing is the "triangulation" point.

                                            .

                                            You might find this interesting: **LINK**

                                            https://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/benchmarks/

                                            MichaelG.

                                            Meanwhile … I would really appreciate it if anyone can find an illustration of something exactly like my brother’s mystery object [complete with some definitive evidence of its purpose].

                                            #495544
                                            Hopper
                                            Participant
                                              @hopper

                                              Probably a piece that fell off the tractor mowing the playing field.

                                              #495545
                                              Hopper
                                              Participant
                                                @hopper

                                                Does that say R2019 stamped on it? R2019 is a model of Honda Civic car. Could have fallen off a passing car and been thrown on the field by wanton boys. Seems unlikely though. Brass just does not say Honda sports car to me.

                                                But could the inscription be a clue otherwise?

                                                Edited By Hopper on 13/09/2020 10:44:04

                                                #495547
                                                Michael Gilligan
                                                Participant
                                                  @michaelgilligan61133
                                                  Posted by Hopper on 13/09/2020 10:42:08:

                                                  Does that say R2019 stamped on it? R2019 is a model of Honda Civic car. Could have fallen off a passing car and been thrown on the field by wanton boys. Seems unlikely though. Brass just does not say Honda sports car to me.

                                                  But could the inscription be a clue otherwise?

                                                  .

                                                  When I foolishly fell for Dave’s story … I thought it might be a Go / NoGo gauge

                                                  … but that was then !!

                                                  MichaelG.

                                                  #495549
                                                  Rod Renshaw
                                                  Participant
                                                    @rodrenshaw28584

                                                    I understand that a benchmark is a survey mark left by the Ordnance Survey when the area was mapped and, more relevantly, "levelled". The position and height of each benchmark is indicated by a small dot on an Ordnance Survey 1 inch to the mile map, and the height of the benchmark, the "spot height" is recorded alongside the spot on the map. The horizontal line of the benchmark is the exact height recorded on the map, and the arrow below is to draw attention to the fact that this is a benchmark. So if you need to find the height above sea level of anything in GB you only have to find the nearest benchmark ( use the map for location and height) and measure the difference in height between " it" and the benchmark.

                                                    Rod

                                                    Edited By Rod Renshaw on 13/09/2020 11:06:02

                                                    #495550
                                                    Hopper
                                                    Participant
                                                      @hopper
                                                      Posted by Michael Gilligan on 13/09/2020 10:53:01:

                                                      Posted by Hopper on 13/09/2020 10:42:08:

                                                      Does that say R2019 stamped on it? R2019 is a model of Honda Civic car. Could have fallen off a passing car and been thrown on the field by wanton boys. Seems unlikely though. Brass just does not say Honda sports car to me.

                                                      But could the inscription be a clue otherwise?

                                                      .

                                                      When I foolishly fell for Dave’s story … I thought it might be a Go / NoGo gauge

                                                      … but that was then !!

                                                      MichaelG.

                                                      Probably correct. The 2019 probably refers to the larger 20mm GO hole and the 19mm NO GO hole. Sorts the 20mm mens javelins from the 19mm womens javelins. Well, maybe…

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