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  • #378305
    Danny M2Z
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      @dannym2z

      Today I logged into this forum with a HP laptop that was purchased for and mainly used for flying a dji mavic drone on a commercial basis. It has worked well so far. The cheap datalink from the linked tablet is quite a useful way to get online for peanuts.

      Then up popped a message "Windows updates are ready to be installed" click here etc.

      So I don't want to update as nowhere is mentioned what will be 'updated' or why.

      I am perfectly happy with the current setup. I update the security scanner on a regular basis but that's it!

      If the 'update' screws my laptop, looses me a filming job will Microsoft compensate me – Lol – noway I suspect!

      So how does one turn off this invasive crap and take back control?

      * Danny M *

      #35305
      Danny M2Z
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        @dannym2z
        #378308
        not done it yet
        Participant
          @notdoneityet

          Just don’t install! Not until the job is finished – or buy/try another laptop for the updated changes. There should at least be a ‘update later’ option?

          I am regretting doing an apple update recently. It will no longer correct spellings properly, for one example. It also started freezing the screen at times – something itbhas not done previously ( well, not often).

          I expect they are preparing another ‘fix’ for the problems they have introduced at the last update.

          #378311
          Kiwi Bloke
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            @kiwibloke62605

            Er, regain control, dump Microsoft (and Apple) and use Linux! Enjoy Free software!

            #378320
            Russell Eberhardt
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              @russelleberhardt48058

              If you upgrade to Windows 10 Pro it will give you back control of updates, however I converted to Linux about ten years ago and never regretted it. I do have to keep W10 pro as dual boot for Fusion thoughsad

              Russell

              #378322
              Ady1
              Participant
                @ady1

                There's a proggy called GWX Control Panel which may help

                You can get the exe here

                I recommend at least storing it on your hard drive,

                Another fabby standalone, win10 never, that site is gone now

                Read up on it, I've never used it but it looks like it may be able to disable win 10 updates in win 10

                 

                edit: The simplest route IMO is to go Pro as mentioned above, and switch updates off

                Edited By Ady1 on 30/10/2018 10:03:51

                #378323
                Roger Clark
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                  @rogerclark

                  Danny, I assume, as your data/video is fully backed up? Ha of course it is, silly question. blush

                  Windows 10 is meant to be the last issue of Windows so updates are the method of continuous improvement and securing against attacks into the operating system that 'security scanners' only pick up after their virus database has been updated and downloaded, But there are methods into the operating system that the scanners will see as 'legit'

                  Do the updates.

                  Roger

                  #378329
                  martin perman 1
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                    @martinperman1

                    The updates are infrequent, take a few minutes to upload and have not affected my computer.

                    Martin P

                    #378337
                    I.M. OUTAHERE
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                      @i-m-outahere

                      I keep mine updated all the time and have had no trouble – same for ipad and andriod units i own . You will find the computer will automatically create a restore point with any major updates so if you do have an issue you just roll back to the previous restore point . I had to do this once with W10 just after they released the updates when some blabbermouth told everyone about the backdoor hack in the cpu , this ws only because my old verion of turbocad didn’t agree with it so uninstalled turbocad then did a rollback followd by all updates then re install turbocad and all is good in the world no . One thing i have noticed as i use norton is to go back and update it after any windows updateds , i have updated norton before checking for windows updates and found no updates but after checking for windows updates and installing them i re checked norton and found updates and patches available so I guess it checks what updates are on windows first . Today i fired up the old HP with XP on it to be confronted with messages about the rtc is not correct , i had a play with MACH 3 and went to shut it down , the mongrel re starte itself ! I had just installed the Mach 3 that came with my engraver ( after scanning for viruses ) so i thought something had got into it but the clock message made me think about the rtc/ bios battery which as it turned out was dead flet so for some reason it kept re booting windows . New battery fixed that ! I must say i like the design of that pc – push two buttons on the case and the top comes off , flip up the power supply and the motherboard is there to work on without the need for any tools – everything flips up or clips in -brilliant !

                      #378344
                      Neil Wyatt
                      Moderator
                        @neilwyatt

                        The current update was postponed because some people on business systems who had extended their local documents folder by adding in a share and not copied their local documents across got all their local documents deleted.

                        MS were apparently warned about this in beta testing but neglected to fix it before the role out.

                        Simple solution. Always have at least two full backups with one always unplugged in case of ransomware attack.

                        I also have anti-ransomware and an additional file history drive in case I accidentally delete files.

                        Neil

                        #378351
                        Fowlers Fury
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                          @fowlersfury

                          This Win10 "update" issue can be a PITA. Those who've not had problems are lucky and/or don't have apps & progs whose drivers are repatedly overwritten by ones that M/soft thinks are superior.
                          My patience is rapidly running out with Win 10 and I'm increasingly tempted by Linux.
                          It would tho' require installing a dual-boot system because 2 or 3 progs have no Linux versions and at my age, I can do without all the aggravation.
                          Of course – back ups are 100% necessary but won't always avoid the "update" problems reoccuring. (I tried re-installing a back up after problems with the early 2018 Win 10 update. After hours of frustration, the FAT became corrupted and I had to re-install all the progs and data files).
                          A good sourse of free advice is the regular "How-to_Geek" newsletters, typified by headlines such as "Don’t Click “Check for Updates” Unless You Want Unstable Windows 10 Updates". Maybe worth subscribing !

                          **LINK**

                          There are ways to stop the updates e.g. **LINK**

                          The Microsoft handcuffs are very strong.

                          #378358
                          Dalboy
                          Participant
                            @dalboy

                            It always makes me think with the amount of updates do they use up memory on a device or do they automaticaly replace the parts that are out of date

                            #378379
                            Enough!
                            Participant
                              @enough
                              Posted by Danny M2Z on 30/10/2018 08:48:03:

                              So how does one turn off this invasive crap and take back control?

                              One of the reasons I haven't "upgraded" to Win-10 from Win-8.1 was the loss of control over updates. With Win-8.1 updates you can still check out what each update is doing to you.

                              And I check for each update …. several times in the last year or so MS has tried to sneak in a free update to Win-10 amongst the other updates. Nice of them ! But then, that's why I check.

                              #378383
                              Neil Wyatt
                              Moderator
                                @neilwyatt

                                I have a laptop 'graded' to Linux from Vista (I hesitate to qualify that with up or down) for controlling my astronomy kit.

                                It took a couple of days to get it working despite it being an 'all in one' installation, the wifi connection was a nightmare but luckily I got help with troubleshooting.

                                I couldn't recommend changing over unless you have someone to help you or a lot of time and patience.

                                Once done it seems to be OK but the process was so exhausting I haven't tried installing my hardware yet.

                                Neil

                                Edited By Neil Wyatt on 30/10/2018 16:47:41

                                #378387
                                Enough!
                                Participant
                                  @enough
                                  Posted by Neil Wyatt on 30/10/2018 16:47:19:

                                  I couldn't recommend changing over unless you have someone to help you or a lot of time and patience.

                                   

                                  … but look at all the assistance that's available out there from the helpful Linux community who are just waiting with open arms to welcome windows users into the fold (they just love widows users no elitism with these people). They have endless patience, are willing to take the time to get you started and they don't talk down to you or anything.

                                  Just go to any Linux forum to see what I mean

                                  Edited By Bandersnatch on 30/10/2018 17:19:20

                                  #378390
                                  Tomfilery
                                  Participant
                                    @tomfilery

                                    Bandersnatch,

                                    My experience is somewhat different. As Neil says, you are on your own if you go with Linux. I've asked a grand total of 3 questions (on AskUbuntu) and, in the end, managed to sort it out for myself – eventually! The magical help you allude to was simply not forthcoming!

                                    I have a dual boot machine (Ubuntu and Win10) though very rarely use Win10, unless I have to. That said, after an Ubuntu upgrade went wrong, I was very pleased I could still use Win10 to search for answers to my problems. Although I didn't find them, I did find sufficient clues to effect a repair on my own. Having a backup of all your datafiles is definitely recommended.

                                    Quite a few users seem to want to hang onto Windows for certain specific programs. Providing you have a legitimate copy of Windows you can load, you can install it in Oracle's VirtualBox and so run Windows on Linux. I use it for my old version of TurboCad and some music notation software which I run under Vista. I believe that you can download a legitimate version of XP to run under the virtual environment, but haven't tried to do that myself.

                                    So, in a nutshell, I much prefer Ubuntu to Windows, but when things go wrong you are probably on your own.

                                    Regards Tom

                                    #378398
                                    Frances IoM
                                    Participant
                                      @francesiom58905

                                      I’ve put Linux (originally Mint verns 10 and later but later Debian 9) on many machines – mostly no problem (Mint is generally extremely straightforward) a common problem area though is Wifi but so far a simple search has located the necessary drivers for all; the latest versions of Mint & Debian usually include all common drivers. There are some problem areas where manufacturers refuse to release details to allow Linux drivers to be written – scanners were a common problem area and some of the early winmodems or similar systems where a special control file needed to be downloaded to the device. I’ve generally found that old XP programs will work under Wine (especially if you ensure the Wine program is the latest version).

                                      Generally if a program works on Windoze and on Macs it will run on Linux.

                                      #378417
                                      Enough!
                                      Participant
                                        @enough
                                        Posted by Tomfilery on 30/10/2018 17:54:20:

                                        My experience is somewhat different. As Neil says, you are on your own if you go with Linux. I've asked a grand total of 3 questions (on AskUbuntu) and, in the end, managed to sort it out for myself – eventually! The magical help you allude to was simply not forthcoming!

                                        Sorry Tom …. perhaps you missed the sarcasm?

                                        #378418
                                        Mike Poole
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                                          @mikepoole82104

                                          Wouldn’t it be nice if software just worked.

                                          Mike

                                          #378422
                                          Danny M2Z
                                          Participant
                                            @dannym2z

                                            Thanks for all the advice people.

                                            As I said, I purchased this HP laptop solely to run DJI software to manage, calibrate and modify my multirotor flying cameras. Also it is useful to link to my groundstation via Bluetooth so that my assistant and clients can sit in comfort and select the photographs/video that they require.

                                            I did an online search and found many possible solutions, so I tried this one and it appears to have worked ok.

                                            1. Press the Windows 10 logo key + R

                                            2. Type services.msc and press 'Enter'

                                            3. Scroll to 'Windows Update' and double-click it

                                            4. in 'Startup Type' select the option 'Disabled'

                                            5. Click 'Apply' and 'OK'

                                            I was warned that eventually Windows 10 shall revert to the original settings, but I can check that regularly. At least now I have control of what updates to apply and when.

                                            Here are a few photos from my Mavic Pro of Lake Hume and the 88 year old bridge. While everything is working well I don't want Microsoft messing things up.

                                            * Danny M *

                                            Bethanga bridge looking east from 90m.jpg

                                            Bethanga bridge looking west from 120m.jpg

                                            #378439
                                            Clive India
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                                              @cliveindia
                                              Posted by Mike Poole on 30/10/2018 22:03:44:

                                              Wouldn’t it be nice if software just worked. Mike

                                              Couldn't agree more Mike.

                                              When will the techies realise most of us just want something which works as a tool? Many don't care which operating system or any other crap so-called experts want to boost their ego and show how clever they are – something which works every time will do fine – that's what we paid for.

                                              #378443
                                              BW
                                              Participant
                                                @bw

                                                I use Linux Mint, – started in August 2018 – some minor problems when I started, but quickly solved by asking questions on a very friendly and useful forum.

                                                Windows 10 updates were chewing up a significant amount of time and data – we live in a rural location in Victoria (Australia) and internet speeds and data allowances on the various plans are pitiful compared to any big city.

                                                Bill

                                                #378447
                                                Nigel Bennett
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                                                  @nigelbennett69913

                                                  What I really want on my keyboard is a fully-functional button labelled "Just Do It".

                                                  #378454
                                                  Russell Eberhardt
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                                                    @russelleberhardt48058

                                                    Posted by Tomfilery on 30/10/2018 17:54:20:

                                                    My experience is somewhat different. As Neil says, you are on your own if you go with Linux. I've asked a grand total of 3 questions (on AskUbuntu) and, in the end, managed to sort it out for myself – eventually! The magical help you allude to was simply not forthcoming!

                                                    It does depend on what flavour of Linux you choose to install.

                                                    AskUbuntu does tend to concentrate on the more technical side. All the better distributions have their own forums (or should that be fora?). Some forums are better and more friendly than others. I use Linux Mint and when I have asked questions on their forum I have received answers very quickly, sometimes within minutes.

                                                    The problem someone mentioned with some wifi chips is a result of Broadcom who manufacture wifi chips refusing to release their firmware to the community. You have to download the driver from Broadcom's site. When I had that problem on one laptop and posed a question on the Mint forum I was immediately directed to clear instructions on how to do that.

                                                    Russell

                                                    #378479
                                                    Farmboy
                                                    Participant
                                                      @farmboy

                                                      One of the worst things you can do with Windows 10 is keep it offline for long periods. The longer it is unconnected the more updates it will have to do when next online, and that can seriously slow the system down. Far better to leave it on as much as possible. With a slow rural landline a major 'upgrade' can take hours! angry 2

                                                      "Mint" seems to be the friendlier face of Linux, but it still won't run all the software I have to use.

                                                      Mike.

                                                      P.S. Most 'smart' phones seem to be constantly updating in the background, so it's not just Microsoft

                                                      Edited By Farmboy on 31/10/2018 12:24:56

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