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  • #35131
    roy entwistle
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      #344741
      roy entwistle
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        @royentwistle24699

        I am aware that this is not a model engineering question but, many years ago one could purchase washers specifically for hot water taps. They were red and made of a fibre type material. All I seem to be able to get the days are black ones made of some plastic like neoprene. They don't last. Any suggestions would be appreciated.

        Roy

        #344747
        Billy Bean
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          @billybean67480

          Plenty on ebay.

          Just type – fibre tap washers – into the search box.

          BB

          #344748
          JasonB
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            @jasonb

            You must be looking at a different e-bay to me none of those look like the tap washers that go onto the jumper and sit down onto the seating.

            Not seen the old ones for a long time.

            #344752
            Billy Bean
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              @billybean67480

              Jason

              No need for silly remarks.

              If you google as I said you will find them.

              That is what the original poster asked for.

              He makes no mention of this jumper type thing what ever that is as not a plumber.

              #344753
              Billy Bean
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                @billybean67480

                110Pc FIBRE WASHER SET Small-Large Seal Buffers Plumbing Packer Tap Bath Ring

                Brand new
                 
                ITEM NO 312078772612
                 
                Edited to say they are RED

                Edited By Billy Bean on 06/03/2018 20:34:02

                #344756
                Simon Williams 3
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                  @simonwilliams3

                   

                  And in fairness to Jason, if you ask an expert you'll get an expert answer.

                  The sets of fibre sealing washers on ebay just now are not tap washers, they are sealing washers to seal the thread at the back of the tap where it screws into it's mating pipe. That ebay brings them to the screen when the search string contains the words tap and washer is down to the shortcomings of eBay's search engine, not Jason's expertise.

                  A tap washer, on the other hand, lives inside a tap and is screwed down onto the tap seat by the operating handle and thereby block the flow of water through the tap. It sits on a jumper which guides it onto its seat and stops it distorting under the forces exerted on it by the water pressure.

                  One hopes that the OP meant what he said when he asked for a tap washer.  His description of same corroborates the terminology he has used.

                  And you are absolutely right, there is no need for silly remarks.

                   

                   

                  Edited By Simon Williams 3 on 06/03/2018 20:42:25

                  #344757
                  martin perman 1
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                    @martinperman1
                    #344758
                    JasonB
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                      @jasonb

                      Old style red fibre tap washers on the right, my last few and the softer black ones on the leftwink 2

                      dsc02635.jpg

                      #344761
                      roy entwistle
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                        @royentwistle24699

                        Jason those are exactly the ones I remember, I wish I could find some now

                        Roy

                        #344769
                        Nicholas Farr
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                          @nicholasfarr14254

                          Hi, and for those that don't know, here's an inside view of a stop cock where such washers will fit. The washer is the black bit which seals off the flow of water and the jumper is what it's attached too, which has a spigot that slides up and down in the end of the threaded bit, that can just be seen.

                          Stop Valve

                          A tap has the same configuration, but has an open spout on the output side.

                          Regards Nick.

                          Edited By Nicholas Farr on 06/03/2018 22:23:54

                          #344770
                          Martin W
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                            @martinw

                            Roy

                            A quick trawl round the net seems to confirm your comments re availability or not as is the case. However I did find some candidates that might be worth a look the first can be found here and comes as a 3/4 in. diameter but center hole not specified. The other possible option might be one of these which they sell in 1/2" and 3/4" sizes and may just require a quick fettle and a hole drilled to size in the middle. Other than that it's like looking for the proverbial 'Rocking Horse Droppings'. angry.

                            Cheers

                            Martin W

                            #344775
                            peak4
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                              @peak4

                              Or you could see ith there's a branch of Grahams Plumbers near you

                              Bill

                              #344777
                              FMES
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                                @fmes

                                Or: **LINK**

                                and the purpose of the jumper is to prevent back flow

                                Edited By FMES on 07/03/2018 06:21:35

                                #344784
                                martin perman 1
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                                  @martinperman1

                                  How do you create a link ?

                                  Martin P

                                  #344786
                                  Michael Gilligan
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                                    @michaelgilligan61133
                                    Posted by martin perman on 07/03/2018 07:57:03:

                                    How do you create a link ?

                                    Martin P

                                    .

                                    Use this icon bubblecar.jpg and follow your nose

                                    MichaelG.

                                    #344787
                                    martin perman 1
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                                      @martinperman1

                                      Michael,

                                      Thanks for that, my first lesson learned for the day smiley

                                      Martin P

                                      #344794
                                      robjon44
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                                        @robjon44

                                        Gentlefolk may I put in a word for the Full Stop tap washer kit, available from B&Q & of course all the usual suspects on the internet, take top off tap, remove the upper piece that the old style washers are fitted to, place plastic shouldered bush in outlet hole & press down with special tool (thumb), place plastic upper stem & washer in head of tap, replace, then gently screw down capstan of tap to press all in place. When you have tried one you will not imagine why you didn't invent it yourself, personally I have never had one let me down & at £1.78 got to be worth a try. Three quarter inch ones seem more difficult to acquire but after you have seen one I'm sure it wouldn't be rocket science to make ones own.

                                        Cheers Bob.

                                        #344800
                                        roy entwistle
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                                          @royentwistle24699

                                          Thank you to JasonB and Nick Farr ( For the sectioned tap ) We were shown how to change tap washers at senior school and I tend to think that everyone else had a similar education. But that was 70 years ago

                                          Roy smiley

                                          #344805
                                          KWIL
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                                            @kwil

                                            The Full Stop Kit is designed primarily to deal with damaged valve seats. Tap washer failure (both H & C) as far as I am concerned seems to be more to do with excessive tightening down by my visitors!!

                                            #344811
                                            Mick B1
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                                              @mickb1

                                              Blimey.

                                              Where've I been?

                                              I never saw or heard of red tap washers till I read this thread.

                                              I must've replaced a dozen or so since the 1970s, and the only one I can remember having trouble with was when I should've refaced the washer seating with one o'them titchy little grinding discs first.

                                              Well, maybe I was just lucky and all the failed washers were on cold taps?surprise

                                              #344829
                                              larry Phelan
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                                                @larryphelan54019

                                                I am old enough to remember red hot tap washers,then they just seemed to vanish.

                                                I also remember black cold water washers which were shaped like half a ball and were fitted onto a short spigot.

                                                Does anyone else remember these,or am I just doting ?

                                                Those boxes of washers on Ebay look the same as the ones sold in Aldi/Lidi from time to time,quite cheap,and handy to have.

                                                #344831
                                                FMES
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                                                  @fmes
                                                  Posted by larry Phelan on 07/03/2018 11:53:19:

                                                  I also remember black cold water washers which were shaped like half a ball and were fitted onto a short spigot.

                                                  Does anyone else remember these,or am I just doting ?

                                                  .

                                                  Yup, they were for 'Holdtite' taps **LINK**

                                                  #344833
                                                  Martin W
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                                                    @martinw

                                                    Somewhere I think I have still got a tap seating tool from my younger days. Much like a valve seating tool that used to be used on cars during their periodical 'de-coking' service except the cutting edge was at right angles to the shaft. It was/is an all metal tool with guide carrying the appropriate cutter that screwed into the tap body and with a couple of turns of the handle a fresh seat was cut. I can only assume that we must have been using hard washers as soft ones would have deformed and sealed. It's not a job I have done for donkey's years so whether the body material of taps has improved and doesn't corrode or whether the plastic style washers seal better and stop the seat eroding I don't know.

                                                    Another trip down memory lane.

                                                    Martin W

                                                    Edited By Martin W on 07/03/2018 12:16:49

                                                    #344837
                                                    Richard S2
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                                                      Posted by Martin W on 07/03/2018 12:14:44:

                                                      Somewhere I think I have still got a tap seating tool from my younger days. …………Martin W

                                                      Without deviating too much from the OP's subject, a pictorial example of Martin's description, part of many 50/60s DIY Plumbing items I inherited long ago-

                                                      tap re seat.jpg

                                                      This is the 3/4" example. I also still have Hemp strands, Frys Plumber Solder Bars,the old Bakers active Flux etc etc.

                                                      Regards

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