Myford VMC mill

Myford VMC mill

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  • #611131
    RRMBK
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      @rrmbk

      Hello all .

      Please can anyone provide the specification for the two belts used on a myford VMC mill from around 1980.

      Also can you tell me how to lubricate the quill bearings.

      I don't have a manual for the mill, and attempts to find one on the web have just led me down interminable rabbit holes ending in a request for payment.

      Many thanks.

      #34067
      RRMBK
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        @rrmbk

        service info on myford VMC mill.

        #611144
        DC31k
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          @dc31k
          Posted by RRMBK on 24/08/2022 23:26:28:

          I don't have a manual for the mill

          You do now:

          Machinery manuals

          Part 25 A34.

          It is useful in this case to search for both 'vmc' and vm-c'. To you, they are the same; to the al gore rhythm, they are different.

          #611153
          Russ B
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            @russb

            Also, note the makers name on the front, it's not Myford.

            Here's a slightly less wonky version!

            https://www.dropbox.com/s/1xl3o958x2qupqo/_Kao%20Fong%206×24%20Manual%20KF-VM-C.pdf?dl=0

            #611155
            Tony Pratt 1
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              @tonypratt1

              I have a Myford VME mill so slightly larger table and I can't see any way of lubricating the spindle bearings, I also replaced the overly stiff original belts with a linked type with great success.

              Tony

              #611162
              RRMBK
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                @rrmbk

                Thank you very much for the quick responses. Greatly appreciated. The manual and exploded parts drawing is just what I needed.

                Bearings are clearly sealed units, so after 40 years probably best to replace ! and the belts are readily available locally.

                Once again many thanks.

                #611195
                Russ B
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                  @russb

                  I think I looked in to the spindle bearings many years ago – I seem to recall having no luck with the thrust ball bearing at the bottom – I began thinking about an upgrade to a taper roller on the nose but after removing the pulley and bearings, cleaning and adjusting it's all been solid and sound ever since.

                  I was thinking along the lines of a "Gamet100035/100072C Super Precision Flanged Tapered Roller" The flange provides about 2mm clearance behind the bearing, and reduces the nose to table by 9mm or so. I'd have fit a standard rotary shaft seal in a carrier secured to the quill to seal it. I can't remember if I did a drawing – I have two young kids now and focus my spare time on tinkering with other things and if I get some me time, I'm zapping about on my 2 stroke faster than I should be, or tinkering with it…….

                  I'm sure a normal taper roller would suffice for a 10th of the cost (or less!)

                  #611198
                  Russ B
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                    @russb

                    This was I think…. a drop in replacement, do your own homework though!

                    Timken 19138X/19283

                    but still, a seal and carrier would be needed – no trouble for anyone on here I'm sure! I would just 3D print on, from design to part in just an hour or 2, and if it broke, I'd think about machining one… and then remember I can much more easily just press print and another will appear…..

                    #611201
                    Nigel Graham 2
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                      @nigelgraham2

                      Thank you for raising this, RRMBK.

                      I have the same machine, and it suffers from excessively stiff quill vertical travel and as well as that it's quite possible the bearings or at least their lubrication are a little old and worn out by now. It also has a problem that often makes inserting the R8 tooling difficult – it feels like a loose key or pin not reliably engaging the keyways.

                      .

                      Thank you DC31K and Russ

                      Have bookmarked these and down-loaded the Ostia manual. I think they are actually the same document. I don't think they differ from the information I have already but I will study them carefully to see if they give any more information… such as actually how to dismantle the thing to service it!

                      I did at least find my existing manual useful for making a drawbar to replace the original lost in a house-move. While at it the sectional drawing showed how I could make it self-ejecting.

                      #611218
                      Russ B
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                        @russb

                        I should probably reword that, "upgrade" – the original separate roller and thrust bearings no doubt provide much better support for heavy side loads, but I expect the taper rollers by design to provide less radial play and therefore better support for smaller higher speed cutters – which I more up my street, hence, "upgrade"

                        #611219
                        John Haine
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                          @johnhaine32865

                          I have a VMB which has a similar belt arrangement except that the intermediate pulley, instead of floating, was fixed on a sliding plate that had to be loosened, adjusted, then tightened when you changed belt ratios on the front, a stupid design! When I upgraded to a 3ph motor + VFD I used the intermediate pulley on the motor as it had the same dimensions as the spindle pulley and eliminated the intermediate pulley stage. Haven't missed it!

                          #611221
                          Russ B
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                            @russb

                            If anyone is interested, not the best quality scan but some sales information.

                            https://www.dropbox.com/s/4s35k4v8iho6lfl/Full%20page%20photo.pdf?dl=0

                            #611426
                            Bob Unitt 1
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                              @bobunitt1
                              Posted by John Haine on 25/08/2022 14:22:42:

                              I have a VMB which has a similar belt arrangement except that the intermediate pulley, instead of floating, was fixed on a sliding plate that had to be loosened, adjusted, then tightened when you changed belt ratios on the front, a stupid design!

                              Curious – I have a VMB bought direct from Myford in 1998, and it has a floating intermediate pulley.

                              #611427
                              Douglas Johnston
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                                @douglasjohnston98463
                                Posted by John Haine on 25/08/2022 14:22:42:

                                I have a VMB which has a similar belt arrangement except that the intermediate pulley, instead of floating, was fixed on a sliding plate that had to be loosened, adjusted, then tightened when you changed belt ratios on the front, a stupid design! When I upgraded to a 3ph motor + VFD I used the intermediate pulley on the motor as it had the same dimensions as the spindle pulley and eliminated the intermediate pulley stage. Haven't missed it!

                                I have the poly-V pulley version of the VMB with variable speed invertor and it is almost impossible to get access to the bolts of the sliding plate to change the belt positions. As a result I never change the belt position and rely on the VFD for speed change. As you said it is a very poor design.

                                Doug

                                #611429
                                John Haine
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                                  @johnhaine32865
                                  Posted by Bob Unitt 1 on 27/08/2022 16:16:38:

                                  Posted by John Haine on 25/08/2022 14:22:42:

                                  I have a VMB which has a similar belt arrangement except that the intermediate pulley, instead of floating, was fixed on a sliding plate that had to be loosened, adjusted, then tightened when you changed belt ratios on the front, a stupid design!

                                  Curious – I have a VMB bought direct from Myford in 1998, and it has a floating intermediate pulley.

                                  Bought mine in 2003 so they must have changed the design.

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