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Hot workshop

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  • #32683
    MW
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      @mw27036
      #235390
      MW
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        @mw27036

        Hi,

        My workshop is a big timber built structure like many others but has some very large south facing windows on 1 side, with no other windows on the other walls and a couple of tiny vents. I've obviously tried using it with the windows all open but without any wind it doesn't help much.

        All this good weather is making it hot to the point of nigh unbearable to work in there, I need a solution to cool it down but maybe someone has been through this before and found a good big "workshop fan" or air conditioning unit that did the trick?

        Michael W

        Edited By Michael Walters on 20/04/2016 12:14:39

        #235391
        Bazyle
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          @bazyle

          Carefully design a roof extension to give shade from this time of year sun angle onwards but let it in in winter. Increase thermal mass of building by installing large cast iron blocks in the shape of mills, lathes etc.

          #235394
          Clive Foster
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            @clivefoster55965

            Semi transparent roller blinds are pretty effective. Plain ones are relatively cheap but do think about colour as it will put a slight cast on. I have two windows with them on, more to combat glare than heat in my case. One a sort of beige and one a light yellow which don't, to my eyes, make much difference for normal activities but I have clear windows on the other walls. Probably not good if you have to match paint colours tho'. Free from the "too good to bin" shop.

            What insulation do you have in your roof! Its counter intuitive but insulation in the roof and ceiling, if you have one, makes a difference in this sort of situation. Most especially if its a simple metal roof.

            Clive.

            #235396
            Ajohnw
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              @ajohnw51620

              I had a shed once and used the semi see through film some people apply to car windows. It was gold coloured rather than black and reflected a fair amount of light so should reflect the heat as well.

              I used it to prevent marauders from seeing what was in the shed.

              Might work I don;t know how well but it should help.

              Edit. An opening skylight will help if the windows are open as hot air rises so will bring in the cooler stuff from outside. Works well in caravans but a shed might need something bigger than these usually use.

              John

              Edited By Ajohnw on 20/04/2016 13:05:54

              #235399
              Martin Kyte
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                @martinkyte99762

                Not knowing what is outside the shed may make this suggestion redundant but what about some sort of pergola outside the window. Think slatted roof supported on legs. If you are intelligent with the angle of the slats you can create shade when the sun is at it's highest and hottest and still allow prenty of light into the workshop without spoiling the view.

                Failing that you could just block the windows up and use the wall space.

                #235408
                Ian S C
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                  @iansc

                  Or pivot the slats to either shade, or allow the sunshine.

                  Ian S C

                  #235416
                  MW
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                    @mw27036

                    Thanks for the suggestions although some of them maybe rather radical, I'm not prepared or able to (by orders of herr commandant) carve up or make any serious modifications to the shed itself. Maybe the blinds would help, problem is it gets rather stuffy. It's like a dark cave with panes of glass at the front, The roof itself has no insulation, it's just clad with shingles.

                    So yes, the blinds maybe a good solution, all i have are some black curtains which can make matters worse.

                    Has anyone tried big fans or small air conditioning units? do they have a tendency to just blow air thats already stuffy around the room?

                    My first suggestion was actually to put slatted wooden frames over the windows that can be closed/opened. But that was thrown out by my familial planning committee.

                    Michael W

                    Edited By Michael Walters on 20/04/2016 14:45:55

                    #235428
                    Anonymous

                      Stick a decent sized extractor fan as high up on wall as you can, it'll expel the higher warmer air and draw cooler in either through the door or a low fitted vent. I haven't got an actual fitted extractor but put a normal fan in front of a high air vent which though it isn't efficient as a proper fitted extractor does a half decent job of lowering the temperature and gives a bit of airfow

                      #235432
                      Gordon W
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                        @gordonw

                        I'll swap you mine- N Scotland. Well somebody had to be first.

                        #235448
                        Neil Wyatt
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                          @neilwyatt

                          I have an extractor and a 'blow he air and all your loose objects around the workshop' fan.

                          What I really need is roof insulation.

                          Neil

                          #235450
                          Rik Shaw
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                            @rikshaw

                            Michael – My shop sounds much like yours. The floor to roof glass windows are on south side of the building. On the inside of the building this expanse of glass is masked with several layers of decorators dust sheets which cut down on the glare. During hot weather both south facing doors are opened, and the two narrow vent windows on the back wall are also opened which makes for a nice through draught. I spent some valuable beer tokens on aluminium chain screens for the two open doors, this cuts down on direct sunlight and keeps the critters at bay. All of this means that the shop remains reasonably comfortable except for when it is extreme scorchio and if it gets THAT hot I tend not to want to do much at all other than raise a cool glass to my parched lips – cheers old chap.

                            Rik

                            #235457
                            Ed Duffner
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                              @edduffner79357

                              Hi Michael,

                              I have vertical blinds in my kitchen which are opaque but allow loads of light through the fabric. Very handy for directing sun light away and still allowing air to circulate.

                              Ed.

                              #235458
                              Howard Lewis
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                                @howardlewis46836

                                If possible, insulate the roof and walls. My shop has a black rubber roof, over 12mm ply, 50mm Glassfibre and 12mm ply. (Walls ditto, but 19mm external cladding, no windows). Keeps reasonably warm in winter, (needs minimal heating) and reasonably cool in summer Location: East Anglia, UK.

                                Howard

                                #235474
                                pgk pgk
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                                  @pgkpgk17461

                                  Portable aircon does work but you need a dedciated vent or seal up around the hose out of a window very effciiently.. they're not as powerful as 'real' wall mounted aircon systems with external compressors.

                                  I hame one here from some years ago before we installed the real deal in a couple of rooms. Noisier too.

                                  A lot of years ago I used to operate in a converted garden shed..correctly lines and sealed etc but with it's original tar roof above the uninsulated liner. One summer we recorded 112F inside. You could see the patient's fat crinkling as I cut the skin unless kept flooded with fluids and more than a 20min op and I needed another pint of fluids to drink. At my head height the temp would have been even hgher.

                                  #235492
                                  ChrisH
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                                    @chrish

                                    Hi Michael, before investing in air con, insulate the roof really well, and the walls also if you can, makes it better in wintertime too as less heating is required to maintain a comfortable temp. Are the windows opening type or sealed shut? If sealed shut then add an inner DIY layer of film or perspex to create a double glazed effect – you might be able to do that on opening windows too. Years ago I used like a film taped all round some large bay windows and then shrunk tight with a hair dryer, cut the heat loos and cold areas adjacent to the windows dramatically. You could also use blinds and that greenhouse shading you 'paint' on the outside of greenhouse glass in summer on the windows outside, although eventually rain washes it off, if you didn't want the view. A roof mounted slow moving long bladed fan would not cost much to run and would stir the air (think motorised punkah fans from India!), or get a more normal room fan.

                                    All this is to try and keeping your running costs down as well as having a more even temperature in your shed winter and summer. Air con can be expensive, noisy and intrusive in space to install and run, you need to cure the causes not the symptoms!

                                    Chris

                                    #235518
                                    DMB
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                                      @dmb

                                      Ceiling fans are very low wattage – I have one @ 65W (in lounge )
                                      Just need to be careful of headroom in shed.

                                      #235519
                                      DMB
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                                        @dmb

                                        Woops! Double post

                                        Edited By DMB on 21/04/2016 09:17:11

                                        #235521
                                        pgk pgk
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                                          @pgkpgk17461

                                          alos consider the position of ceiling fans with overhead lighting or risk stroboscopic headaches

                                          #235525
                                          Hopper
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                                            @hopper

                                            I use a pair of 60cm pedestal stand fans. One in the doorway blowing cool air into the workshop and the other blowing directly on to me wherever I am working.

                                            Aircon is going to be expensive to run if you have no insulation in the shed.

                                            #235608
                                            colin hawes
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                                              @colinhawes85982

                                              I've got hazel trees partially shading my south facing workshop in the summer when they are in leaf and the sun is hottest and I still get any sunshine on offer in the winter when the leaves have fallen and it's most needed. When autumn arrives the local squirrels grab all the nuts before they ripen. In the winter I get a few replacement runner bean poles so if I can win the battle for some nuts it all works out to my advantage. At all times plenty of good daylight is welcome. I am very satisfied with a south facing workshop. Colin

                                              #235629
                                              nigel jones 5
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                                                @nigeljones5

                                                just move to Wigan – no such troubles!

                                                #235639
                                                Steve Pavey
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                                                  @stevepavey65865

                                                  Blinds on the inside are not much use – once the light has got through the glass it is too late – that's why it's called the greenhouse effect. Extending the roof at the correct pitch for winter sun to come in but to exclude summer sun is the preferred option (and is a common energy-saving architects trick) – and could be the makings of an attractive verandah. Correctly angled louvres on the outside are the next best thing.

                                                  To be honest, the average garden shed is far from ideal as a workshop without a vapour barrier on all walls, floor and roof plus decent insulation and draft-proofing. You need all the sunlight you can get in the winter, and a means to prevent it getting through the glass in the summer.

                                                  #235688
                                                  Martin Kyte
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                                                    @martinkyte99762

                                                    Of course for a quick fix you could use the white stuff you paint on greenhouses in the summer. Be a good test to see how much of the problem is the windows although the almost certainly are the main culprit.

                                                    regards Martin

                                                    #235693
                                                    Ady1
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                                                      @ady1

                                                      If the garden is big enough put up some trees.

                                                      They absorb heat in the summer and keep frost away in the winter

                                                      Posh houses in the Highlands of Scotland use them a lot

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