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  • #460999
    old mart
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      @oldmart

      I just got this little 9-24 volt dc power unit through the post today. It works and has a built in volt meter. I was not so impressed by the mains power plug, however, it is so small it has no room for a fuse. Having used the fused plugs for exactly 60 years, I intend to replace it with a proper one and fit a 1 amp fuse.

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      #32077
      old mart
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        #461004
        Bo’sun
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          @bosun58570

          Interesting! More details please.

          #461012
          SillyOldDuffer
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            @sillyoldduffer

            I would change it too, but it may contain a sealed in fuse, ie if the built-in fuse goes pop, the unit is thrown away, not repaired, ever.

            Can you open the plug up to see what's inside please? If it doesn't contain a fuse, the whole power-supply is suspect. Is it from the 'too-cheap' family! Is it CE marked?

            What fun!

            Dave

            #461019
            duncan webster 1
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              @duncanwebster1

              If it hasn't got a fuse in the plug it's illegal, more to the point it's potentially dangerous, If you bought it from a UK supplier shop him to trading standards, and if you haven't already cut the plug off I'd send it back for a refund. If they miss such a basic point what else is going on in there. It should conform to BS1363.

              If you bought it direct rom China, let this be a learning experience!

              #461020
              Ian P
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                @ianp

                If you bought that from a UK supplier then trading standards should be advised. It certainly does not look to comply with current electrical standards.

                The plug is the most obvious breach of CE regulations and should be changed. My concern though is whether what is inside the enclosure is safe to use (I'm being serious). We have no idea what you intend to use it for but potentially under fault or failure conditions there is always the possibility that mains voltage could be present on the output connector.

                Ian P

                #461021
                Neil Wyatt
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                  @neilwyatt

                  As far as I can see it's illegal:

                  "The distance from any part of the line and neutral pins to the periphery of the plug base must be not less than 9.5 mm."

                  This is to minimise the risk of fingers reaching around and touching the pins.

                  If that has a CE it shouldn't have one.

                  I'd open it up and check there is safe separation between the live and output sides of that.

                  Neil

                  #461025
                  Journeyman
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                    @journeyman

                    It's a BangGood special! I'd bin it…

                    John

                    #461026
                    Ian P
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                      @ianp

                      Its not possible to visually check separation of the transformer.

                      Ian P

                      #461027
                      Martin Connelly
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                        @martinconnelly55370

                        It may be CE marked but there is a subtle difference in letter spacing between the EU mark and the Chinese Engineered mark.

                        Martin C

                        #461029
                        Ed Duffner
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                          @edduffner79357

                          But remember China has it's own C E mark with a gap between the C and E, for China Export, as I understand it anyway. As opposed to CE for Europe.

                          Ed.

                          #461033
                          Mike Poole
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                            @mikepoole82104

                            They are lethal, cut it of and fit a proper plug with the corrrect fuse. I have had a few of these turn up on devices like hard drive enclosures and other computing related equipment, they are all in the bin, it does raise doubts about the rest of the engineering of the equipment but as they are attended devices and as long as they work I don’t worry too much. I would have second thoughts about a device that would be powered for long periods or permanently on and unattended. People will slag off China but remember they also manufacture a lot of top quality electronic equipment but usually with a top brand name as well.

                            Mike

                            Edited By Mike Poole on 30/03/2020 15:59:45

                            #461035
                            old mart
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                              @oldmart

                              I have just removed the plug, the wires are black for live and blue for neutral. I cut the plug up and the wires go directly to the terminals, there is no fuse. I also tried the insulation at 20M, there is no continuity between the mains input wires or between them and the dc output. There are no CE marks of any type, it came direct from China.

                              Edited By old mart on 30/03/2020 16:10:39

                              #461051
                              not done it yet
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                                @notdoneityet

                                If you must use it, don’t leave it plugged in and switched on at the socket – it is powered all the time, despite it having a switched potentiometer – it only switches the output (and the display).

                                Too many transformer wall warts have spontaneously burst into flames. What is the transformer rating, if of that type (it must be shown, by law)? Lower grades are not allowed to be sold, these days, I believe, as transformer losses can be considerable.

                                Edited By not done it yet on 30/03/2020 16:43:28

                                #461062
                                Ian McVickers
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                                  @ianmcvickers56553

                                  That type of plug has been around for a while now. Cant understand why they havent been banned yet. Have a look on fatallyflawed.org.uk They are shown on the first page.

                                  #461068
                                  Bazyle
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                                    @bazyle

                                    It isn't the plug that is a threat unless you expect it to b used by children or halfwits and you could easily clue on a plastic disc with 3 holes in it if you are really worried. The danger as mentioned above will be fire especially as it is advertised as 70W . It is switched mode so no transformer and probably fully potted inside which actually helps heat dissipation. Of course there are lots of non CE items being imported as long as you allow advertising and direct shipping of electrical goods. What do you expect – trading standards to open every package arriving from China?

                                    #461070
                                    herbert punter
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                                      @herbertpunter99795

                                      Any apparatus supplied with this plug is probably going to be dangerous.

                                      This non compliant design plug will not have a certified mains lead and usually the conductors are too thin for safety.

                                      The only thing to do with it is to cut the lead into short pieces or burn it and bend or break the plug pins so that it cannot be inserted in a socket.

                                      i would smash up the rest of apparatus and dump it in the recycling.

                                      Bert

                                      #461072
                                      vintage engineer
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                                        @vintageengineer

                                        Doesn't CE stand for China Export?

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                                          @formermember19781

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                                          #461076
                                          DrDave
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                                            @drdave

                                            I have never understood the British love of fused plugs: most of the world seems to be happy with unfused plugs. None of the electrical equipment that I bought when I lived in Switzerland has a fused plug, for example.

                                            Other than the regulatory requirement here (and after all it does sound like a good idea), can anyone explain why Britain and the colonies have this different plug philosophy?

                                            #461077
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                                              @formermember19781

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                                              #461079
                                              LADmachining
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                                                @ladmachining

                                                The earth pin on that plug is shrouded which is another no-no and instant giveaway of a non-conforming plug.

                                                #461081
                                                herbert punter
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                                                  @herbertpunter99795
                                                  Posted by DrDave on 30/03/2020 18:01:29:

                                                  I have never understood the British love of fused plugs: most of the world seems to be happy with unfused plugs. None of the electrical equipment that I bought when I lived in Switzerland has a fused plug, for example.

                                                  Other than the regulatory requirement here (and after all it does sound like a good idea), can anyone explain why Britain and the colonies have this different plug philosophy?

                                                  It’s because we tried to save copper after the war by using ring circuits for sockets. Other countries use radial circuits with the fuse in the consumer unit rather than the plug.

                                                  Bert

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                                                    @formermember19781

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                                                    #461088
                                                    old mart
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                                                      @oldmart

                                                      Just look at every mains low voltage charger or power supply you have. I guarantee that most will be cheap Chinese junk. My Nokia, Samsung, Sony, Motorola and Tom Tom ones are. Throwing away all your dangerous ones for safety's sake is great, just make sure you have a box of matches handy, you'll need them.

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