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  • #465320
    old mart
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      @oldmart

      I got my oldish Practica 10-30 binoculars out of their bag today (with difficulty) and found that the soft handgrips were deteriorating into a sticky mess. They are about ten years old and I had to use degreasing spray to get most of the mess off my fingers. I have a thirty year old Cosina C1 camera which also suffers from slight softening of the grips. My old Pentax ME Super had its light seals turn into a mucky mess some time ago, fortunately you can get a kit of new sponge rubber seals to fit after cleaning the sticky goo off. Is there anything that can be done when the rubber or plastic starts breaking down?

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      old mart
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        @oldmart
        #465332
        Neil Wyatt
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          @neilwyatt

          With the right skills, you could design and 3D print replacements with flexible filament although they probably wouldn't look as good they would be functional.

          Neil

          Edited By Neil Wyatt on 17/04/2020 21:41:15

          #465400
          ega
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            @ega

            A memorable experience of this when an old but lightly-used pair of shoes spontaneously disintegrated at a meeting causing me to leave a trail of black PU(?) fragments in my wake.

            A previous pair from the same Danish maker and manufactured there had served me well over a longer period but the offending ones were made in the Far East. You do wonder whether this is just an example of planned obsolescence; I shall not buy from them again.

            #465415
            Brian G
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              @briang

              I found Aldi's "Mamia" baby wipes worked well on 30+ year old Minolta lenses, removing both the white deposit and the sticky residue from the "rubber" on the zoom rings. I don't know their effect on babies but they are my "Go To" degreaser and I use them to remove the shipping grease from machines and tools.

              Brian G

              #465423
              Howard Lewis
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                @howardlewis46836

                Every year the Company supplied a pair of safety shoes of my choice. Since each par lasted at least two years, I hoarded them When retired started to wear them. BAD mistake. The oil proof moulded soles promptly cracked, or the heels fell off. Try walking half a mile with no heel, to get home and change!

                (SWMBO had enquired if I had any Centipede genes)

                Had to scrap every pair,! Unworn.
                have a wind up LED lantern and that is getting sticky and horrible. Works fine, but terrible to touch.

                Probably caused by a loss of plasticiser?

                Howard

                #465425
                Ian P
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                  @ianp
                  Posted by old mart on 17/04/2020 20:35:16:

                  I got my oldish P…

                  Is there anything that can be done when the rubber or plastic starts breaking down?

                  I doubt there is any way of restoring or stabilising this material and the only option is to remove it completely.

                  In my opinion there are not many products that this soft covering actually improves (in terms of making it a better product) it might make something look more attractive but (especially) in the workshop soft coated handles on tools just pick up dirt.

                  Ian P

                  #465431
                  Neil Wyatt
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                    @neilwyatt

                    The worst thing is the 'soft touch' coating that isn't but uses a 'nanotexture' to fool your fingertips.

                    I recall that one of either meths or white spirit works for getting it off.

                    Neil

                    #465441
                    Johnboy25
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                      @johnboy25

                      White spirit Neil. 👍 tried and tested. Works ok with a bit of elbow grease! 😋

                      #465456
                      modeng2000
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                        @modeng2000
                        Posted by Howard Lewis on 18/04/2020 12:48:00:

                        have a wind up LED lantern and that is getting sticky and horrible. Works fine, but terrible to touch.

                        Probably caused by a loss of plasticiser?

                        Howard

                        I have a pair as well. On doing a test crank, one worked and the other broke it's drive mechanism.

                        Too sticky to open up and repair.

                        John

                        Edited By modeng2000 on 18/04/2020 14:16:04

                        #465466
                        Stephen Follows
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                          @stephenfollows82099

                          My electric toothbrush suffered from this, only two years old. Got hands covered in sticky coating every time used it. It wasn't a cheap one either. New one I've bought is cheaper, quarter of the price. works just as well.

                          #465471
                          Mike Poole
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                            @mikepoole82104

                            My favourite shoes were being replaced with a newer model so I stocked up, a couple of years later I dug them out of the wardrobe, a couple of hours later I thought my foot felt a bit strange, the sole and upper had parted along the stitch line like a tear here. The shop were not very interested although I got a discount on a new pair. It is not an unknown problem but does not affect shoes that are worn regularly. There seem to be lots of issues with the long term stability of some plastics, foam often crumbles to dust and soft grip often goes sticky.

                            Mike

                            Edited By Mike Poole on 18/04/2020 15:20:27

                            #465504
                            Bryan Cedar 1
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                              @bryancedar1

                              I had a pair of Clarks leather shoes with rubber soles. Discovered that the sole had parted form the upper whilst sitting at dinner on a cruise. Left a trail of rubber bits through the restaurant , most embarrassing. Had them re- soled by Clarks only to have this happen again just over eighteen months later. Result will not buy Clarks again and they should get their act together, as not fit for purpose.

                              #465506
                              jimmy b
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                                @jimmyb

                                3D printing with "TPU" could be an option, to replace the failed rubber. I have has very good results with this material!

                                Jim

                                #465510
                                Samsaranda
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                                  @samsaranda

                                  Had similar problem with a pair of Clark’s shoes kept for best, out to lunch in a good restaurant and sole parted company with the upper on one shoe, rescued by a stout elastic band which looked very odd when I hobbled out to the car park. Glad to see it’s not a unique problem.
                                  Dave W

                                  #465524
                                  Mike Poole
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                                    @mikepoole82104

                                    Mine were Clark’s as wellsad

                                    Mike

                                    #465536
                                    bricky
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                                      @bricky

                                      Me too. Clark's, left on a day out with the sole flapping .also had a pair with rubber insets disintergrate also leaving a trail of plastic or rubber.

                                      Frank

                                      #465603
                                      ega
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                                        @ega

                                        Clark's:

                                        I have been customer for decades but it seems they are no longer Streets ahead!

                                        In fairness to them, when a recent purchase failed after very little use at the cuff (part behind ankle) with some persistence with head office I was able to get them replaced; better yet, they actually admitted that they were defective.

                                        #465607
                                        Grindstone Cowboy
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                                          @grindstonecowboy

                                          It's hydrolysis of the polyurethane – see here – and I've seen it happen with Hotter shoes and others, so not just a Clark's problem.

                                          #465622
                                          Danny M2Z
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                                            @dannym2z

                                            After my binocuar grips degraded I found this which might explain a bit Rubber Reversion

                                            * Danny M *

                                            #465637
                                            Brian G
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                                              @briang

                                              With the phasing out of lead and cadmium stabilisers and biodegradable plastics contaminating the recycling stream, we may just have to get used to the idea that plastics don't last like they used to. (Does anything?)

                                              Brian G

                                              #465650
                                              david homer
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                                                @davidhomer12226

                                                Had a similar problem with a small DAB radio where a proportion of the case had rubber on it which went very sticky, if I had some french chalk I would have rubbed that on it, all I had was talc, solved the problem and smelt quite nice too that was about 9 months ago and still ok.

                                                David

                                                #465652
                                                Windy
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                                                  @windy30762

                                                  I had Clarks as well and only used a few ties then fell apart.

                                                  Was looking a while ago at the materials used in shoes and one has to be worn regular or it degeades

                                                  #465683
                                                  ega
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                                                    @ega
                                                    Posted by Grindstone Cowboy on 19/04/2020 02:21:29:

                                                    It's hydrolysis of the polyurethane – see here – and I've seen it happen with Hotter shoes and others, so not just a Clark's problem.

                                                    Thanks for the very helpful link.

                                                    I see that one poster said that hydrolysis occurs regardless of whether the boot is used or not.

                                                    I assume that the phenomenon is a loss of water; would storing in a sealed bag help? Or dressing the soles with wax, oil, etc?

                                                    No doubt the industry position is a result of the current "buy it today, throw it away tomorrow" culture.

                                                    #517847
                                                    Grindstone Cowboy
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                                                      @grindstonecowboy

                                                      Just to add something, this morning I was doing a bit of tidying up and found an old camera card backup drive which had the rubbery surface coating on the black plastic parts. Of course this had gone horribly sticky despite being stored in the dark. So with nothing to lose, I thought I'd give it a wipe with hand sanitiser (as it was the nearest available solvent-based substance). Just a few wipes with a paper towel and a small amount of sanitiser, it completely removed all stickiness down to shiny black plastic and – what was most impressive to me – did not affect the (screen-printed?) labels at all.

                                                      So I would recommend trying it to anyone plagued by the sticky syndrome. Mine was Enliven Hand Gel, the contents are listed as Alcohol Denat., Aqua (Water), Propylene Glycol, Carbomer, Triethanolamine, Parfum (Fragrance), Linalool. I'm assuming it's the alcohol that does the job, presumably the same as meths or similar, but it smells much nicer

                                                      Rob

                                                      Edit – just been reminded by SWMBO that this is the same stuff that removed the shine from an IKEA bookcase when some was split on it, so be careful

                                                       

                                                      Edited By Grindstone Cowboy on 06/01/2021 11:39:55

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