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  • #462987
    Jamie Taylor
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      @jamietaylor20912

      Hi.

      I read in the SMEE's excellent history that Percival Marshal recorded a gramophone message for the readers of ME in the 1930s. Has any one come across this record and does it exist on line at all?

      best

      Jamie

      #27265
      Jamie Taylor
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        #463005
        DC31k
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          @dc31k

          https://www.gracesguide.co.uk/images/8/81/Im19351114MEE-PercivalM1.jpg

          Send your two shillings and sixpence and you will receive your 10 inch record by return.

          #463015
          Norman Billingham
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            It certainly still exists – the SMEE archive has a copy, but as far as I know it's not online anywhere. It's occasionally played at SMEE on special occasions.

            #463020
            John Haine
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              Given when it was made one hopes they have a backup in case someone drops it, and for when they run out of needles!

              #463024
              ega
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                @ega

                I remember hearing that thorns could be used in lieu of needles; can anyone confirm?

                #463027
                Nick Clarke 3
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                  Posted by John Haine on 07/04/2020 16:28:01:

                  Given when it was made one hopes they have a backup in case someone drops it, and for when they run out of needles!

                  As originally planned this would not be an issue as it was intended that they be produced as 'Permarec' recordings which were supposed to be unbreakable and 'give perfect reproduction using an ordinary steel needle' (ME Vol 73, No1791, 5/9/35)

                  However a few weeks later it was announced that due to the high costs of 'Permarec' recordings it was necessary to produce them as standard disks – so keep a tight hold on it after all I'm afraid! Also Percival Marshall noted 'they must be run at a fairly low speed to give a characteristic representation of my voice' (ME Vol 73, No1793, 19/9/35)

                  Having only recently purchased some volumes of ME from the 1930's I have not long read these for the first time!

                  Edited By Nick Clarke 3 on 07/04/2020 17:01:25

                  #463029
                  Nick Clarke 3
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                    Posted by ega on 07/04/2020 16:42:15:

                    I remember hearing that thorns could be used in lieu of needles; can anyone confirm?

                    As kids we had a wind up portable gramophone of Dad's to play with – together with a bundle of 78s. I suspect a thorn could be used, but a child's thumbnail would also play records in a squeeky high pitched fashion.

                    Although needles were normally steel; fibre needles were also available as they made the music quieter (volume control was otherwise a flap covering up the horn a bit, at best)

                    #463045
                    Ady1
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                      @ady1

                      As a kid I would try to get my toy soldiers to stay on the 78 player but it was too whizzy

                      My dad had a big collection of jazz 78s from the plantations in the 20s and 30s, some guys had used a recording van to produce the originals in the deep south. He sold his entire collection for 50 quid around 1980 when he got bored of them

                      I recall that you had to be pretty nifty on the needle and a record only lasted for a few minutes a pop

                      #463055
                      Neil Wyatt
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                        I'll put a recording on Spotify, on condition that EVERYONE downloads it at 2/- a pop (index linked to the 30s, of course…)

                        Neil

                        #463089
                        Michael Gilligan
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                          Posted by ega on 07/04/2020 16:42:15:

                          I remember hearing that thorns could be used in lieu of needles; can anyone confirm?

                          .

                          Will this do ? … **LINK**

                          http://www.graham-ophones.co.uk/needles/4591285693

                          MichaelG.

                          #463101
                          old mart
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                            I used to play my uncles old wind up Garrard when I was a kid, the needles came in three grades, loud, medium and soft. You were supposed to use a new needle every time, The needles came in tins of 500.

                            #463139
                            Steviegtr
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                              Posted by Neil Wyatt on 07/04/2020 18:21:49:

                              I'll put a recording on Spotify, on condition that EVERYONE downloads it at 2/- a pop (index linked to the 30s, of course…)

                              Neil

                              You tight wad. So that will be hhmm about £200.laugh

                              Steve.

                              #463179
                              Jamie Taylor
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                                @jamietaylor20912

                                I shall send my shillings to the usual address at Fisher Street in that case

                                Thank you for all your answers. I'll get in touch with SMEE and see if they can help.

                                best

                                Jamie

                                #463191
                                Oven Man
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                                  I've still got a pile of old shillings. A use for them at last?

                                  Peter

                                  #463196
                                  Swarf, Mostly!
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                                    Posted by Oven Man on 08/04/2020 09:57:14:

                                    I've still got a pile of old shillings. A use for them at last?

                                    Peter

                                    Before 1921, sterling silver, 1921 to 1947, some silver but I don't remember the proportion.

                                    I just mention it for information, I don't advise defacing the coinage!!!

                                    Best Regards,

                                    Swarf, Mostly!

                                    #463200
                                    Michael Gilligan
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                                      This is a stereo pair [Stereoscopic, not Stereophonic] angel

                                      The tip of a commercially manufactured wooden ‘gramophone needle’

                                      i.e. not a natural thorn

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                                      Arranged for ‘Parallel Viewing’ …. Click the image for a larger version 

                                      Sorry about the image quality, it was just an experiment with a pair of low-res cameras.

                                      MichaelG.

                                      Edited By Michael Gilligan on 08/04/2020 10:17:32

                                      #463213
                                      Nicholas Farr
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                                        Hi, well I have a couple of Bob, but I'm keeping them for my grandchildren, they'll probably find them more interesting than listening to Percival Marshall, no disrespects to him though.

                                        Regards Nick.

                                        #463221
                                        ega
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                                          @ega
                                          Posted by Michael Gilligan on 07/04/2020 20:17:27:

                                          Posted by ega on 07/04/2020 16:42:15:

                                          I remember hearing that thorns could be used in lieu of needles; can anyone confirm?

                                          .

                                          Will this do ? … **LINK**

                                          http://www.graham-ophones.co.uk/needles/4591285693

                                          MichaelG.

                                          Admirably – thank you.

                                          #463229
                                          ega
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                                            @ega
                                            Posted by Michael Gilligan on 08/04/2020 10:15:10:

                                            This is a stereo pair [Stereoscopic, not Stereophonic] angel

                                            The tip of a commercially manufactured wooden ‘gramophone needle’

                                            i.e. not a natural thorn

                                            I wonder what is the "point" of the asymmetrical tip?

                                            Did the needle have to be installed in a particular axial orientation?

                                            Three remembered 78s from childhood:

                                            Arthur Askey's bee song

                                            Teddy Bears' Picnic

                                            An onomatopoeic recording about steam locomotives – diddly dee, diddly dee, etc – I don't recall the name.

                                            #463232
                                            Georgineer
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                                              @georgineer
                                              Posted by ega on 07/04/2020 16:42:15:

                                              I remember hearing that thorns could be used in lieu of needles; can anyone confirm?

                                              We still had some in about 1960, and a device for sharpening them. Dad said that they were made of hawthorn, though whether it was the actual thorn or turned from the wood of the stem I have no idea.

                                              George B.

                                              #463241
                                              Michael Gilligan
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                                                Posted by ega on 08/04/2020 11:59:46:

                                                Posted by Michael Gilligan on 08/04/2020 10:15:10:

                                                This is a stereo pair [Stereoscopic, not Stereophonic] angel

                                                The tip of a commercially manufactured wooden ‘gramophone needle’

                                                i.e. not a natural thorn

                                                I wonder what is the "point" of the asymmetrical tip?

                                                Did the needle have to be installed in a particular axial orientation?

                                                .

                                                Forgive me for re-using your pun, but …

                                                I don't think there is any point … the asymmetry appears to be accidental

                                                … There are certainly no instructions provided regarding orientation.

                                                MichaelG.

                                                .

                                                More anon

                                                #463246
                                                Michael Gilligan
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                                                  Posted by Georgineer on 08/04/2020 12:05:00:

                                                  Posted by ega on 07/04/2020 16:42:15:

                                                  I remember hearing that thorns could be used in lieu of needles; can anyone confirm?

                                                  We still had some in about 1960, and a device for sharpening them. Dad said that they were made of hawthorn, though whether it was the actual thorn or turned from the wood of the stem I have no idea.

                                                  George B.

                                                  .

                                                  Very likely to be the actual thorn, I would say: We have Hawthorn trees in the field behind the house, and some of the thorns are impressive to say the least [and they do make very good material for crafting miniature items]

                                                  I suspect [but have yet to find any proof] that thorns were harvested, and used for their special properties.

                                                  MichaelG.

                                                  .

                                                  Edit: I have just looked at the [His Master's Voice] packet, and I see that the needles are described as thorn 

                                                  Edited By Michael Gilligan on 08/04/2020 12:57:28

                                                  #463281
                                                  ega
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                                                    @ega
                                                    Posted by Michael Gilligan on 08/04/2020 12:33:58:

                                                    Posted by Georgineer on 08/04/2020 12:05:00:

                                                    Posted by ega on 07/04/2020 16:42:15:

                                                    I remember hearing that thorns could be used in lieu of needles; can anyone confirm?

                                                    We still had some in about 1960, and a device for sharpening them. Dad said that they were made of hawthorn, though whether it was the actual thorn or turned from the wood of the stem I have no idea.

                                                    George B.

                                                    .

                                                    Very likely to be the actual thorn, I would say: We have Hawthorn trees in the field behind the house, and some of the thorns are impressive to say the least [and they do make very good material for crafting miniature items]

                                                    I suspect [but have yet to find any proof] that thorns were harvested, and used for their special properties.

                                                    MichaelG.

                                                    .

                                                    Edit: I have just looked at the [His Master's Voice] packet, and I see that the needles are described as thorn

                                                    Edited By Michael Gilligan on 08/04/2020 12:57:28

                                                    Not Thorn EMI, then!

                                                    Thanks for your reply above re the tip; I speculated that the shape might be a response to the difference between the inside and outside of the recording groove.

                                                    #463284
                                                    Tomk
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                                                      Link to Percival Marshall recording

                                                      5th Posting down

                                                      TomK

                                                      on 08/04/2020 16:05:48

                                                      Edited By TomK on 08/04/2020 16:10:45

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