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  • #328740
    Absolute Beginner
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      @absolutebeginner

      Hi all,

      Whilst still looking for a lathe a Colchester Student 3100VS has come up for grabs, Just wondering on peoples opinions on such a lathe. Yes I have looked up info on lathes.co.uk. Just wondered if anyone had any personal experience of the lathe? Any known problems?

      Many thanks Gary

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      #25652
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        @absolutebeginner

        Any known problems ?

        #328748
        David Standing 1
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          @davidstanding1

          Looks tidy, but remember you will pay 39.2% on top of the online hammer price.

          Also make sure you are happy with clauses 33 to 41 of their T&C.

          #328755
          Absolute Beginner
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            @absolutebeginner

            Hi David,

            You are on the ball. Help me out where do you get the 39.2% please

            Gary

            #328758
            David Standing 1
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              @davidstanding1

              wink 2

              Hammer price + 16% buyers premium, + 20% VAT on both

              20% on 16% = 19.2%

              #328759
              Alan Waddington 2
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                @alanwaddington2

                Can’t help with the Colchester…….however this caught my eye, no idea what it will fetch, but looks like a tidy well specced and tooled machine……..**LINK** as David pointed out, just don’t forget to figure in the buyers premium and vat.

                #328762
                Absolute Beginner
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                  @absolutebeginner

                  Hi Alan, looks nice, plus plenty of tooling chucks etc

                  As with all these items its getting the thing disconnected, out and back home.

                  Trying to arrange sensible costs is like pulling hens teeth.

                  Gary

                  #328763
                  Absolute Beginner
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                    @absolutebeginner

                    David. Thanks for the heads up.

                    I hadn't calculated it that way. Now that I do it will revise my highest bidding offer, I think!

                    Gary

                    #328767
                    Alan Waddington 2
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                      @alanwaddington2
                      Posted by Absolute Beginner on 23/11/2017 21:29:04:

                      Hi Alan, looks nice, plus plenty of tooling chucks etc

                      As with all these items its getting the thing disconnected, out and back home.

                      Trying to arrange sensible costs is like pulling hens teeth.

                      Gary

                      Yes i agree the costs can quickly escalate if you’re not in a position to move things yourself. Auction purchases can be especially tricky as they often give you a window to get in and shift whatever you have bought.

                      Iv’e always managed to move my own stuff, but i do have a van and a decent trailer at my disposal, along with a motley collection of jacks, slings, rollers, pallet trucks etc, and a good mate who lends a hand and happens to own a fairly hefty tractor. However you can hire the equipment required to lift and haul machinery fairly reasonably. image.jpgimage.jpg

                      #328771
                      Absolute Beginner
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                        @absolutebeginner

                        Hi Alan,

                        Impressive moving equipment.

                        Yes the auctions aren't easy but if the price is right, and only if…..then I guess its all worth while. I have only seen pics of this lathe, it looks clean, but its all a gamble.

                        Gary

                        #328772
                        Alan Waddington 2
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                          @alanwaddington2
                          Posted by Absolute Beginner on 23/11/2017 22:01:47:

                          Hi Alan,

                          Impressive moving equipment.

                          Yes the auctions aren't easy but if the price is right, and only if…..then I guess its all worth while. I have only seen pics of this lathe, it looks clean, but its all a gamble.

                          Gary

                          Do you have a link ? PM me if you want to keep it low key. 

                          Edited……Found it…..looks very clean, a couple of things that may not matter to you, but would be negatives for me…..it’s not a gap bed, and the bed is short…….neither are showstoppers, but worth bearing in mind.

                           

                           

                          Edited By Alan Waddington 2 on 23/11/2017 22:24:51

                          #328774
                          Absolute Beginner
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                            @absolutebeginner

                            Hi Alan,

                            Yes I agree with both comments. However if its for the right price. I wonder if its clean, or been touched up, or the pics have been doctored or both?

                            Gary

                            #328775
                            David Standing 1
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                              @davidstanding1

                              Gary

                              Those auctioneer T&C don't look too bad, but some want you to show evidence of insurance, a Method Statement for removal, and all sorts of other onerous things, so if you look at something from another online auctioneer, beware.

                              I believe Apex have difficult T&C, for example.

                              As for moving costs, my Boxford 330 I bought in June was in Liverpool, a 450 mile round trip.

                              Steve at Landylift quoted, IIRC, around £450-500 for collection/delivery to me, which was fair enough (but 20% on top of the cost of the lathe), but in the end I bit the bullet, hired a Luton van with tail lift and went and got it myself.

                              I stuck the Boxford on castors, it went on and off easy – 400kg but two of us pushed it on and off easy – all in cost of transport was around £180.

                              #328777
                              David Standing 1
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                                @davidstanding1
                                Posted by Absolute Beginner on 23/11/2017 22:32:45:

                                Hi Alan,

                                Yes I agree with both comments. However if its for the right price. I wonder if its clean, or been touched up, or the pics have been doctored or both?

                                Gary

                                Gary

                                My reasonably practised eye says there is evidence of paint touching in on the edge of the rubber mat on top of the headstock, and on the information plate above the chuck.

                                But, it looks generally unmolested, and I have done the same, doesn't mean it is abused.

                                It's like many secondhand cars, they look straight and honest as soon as you look at them.

                                Incidentally, I see the Harrison M300 that was painted by Stevie Wonder with a roller and Dulux Weathershield is relisted on eBay yet again!

                                #328778
                                Alan Waddington 2
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                                  @alanwaddington2
                                  Posted by Absolute Beginner on 23/11/2017 22:32:45:

                                  Hi Alan,

                                  Yes I agree with both comments. However if its for the right price. I wonder if its clean, or been touched up, or the pics have been doctored or both?

                                  Gary

                                  I doubt the pic’s have been doctored, or indeed the machine tarted up…..(judging by the condition of the other lots etc.) One other point that does come to mind is the VS3100 is quite a rare beast and there doesn’t seem to be any steadies etc included in the sale. Unless they are interchangeable with other models, you might struggle to actually find any………

                                  #328779
                                  Absolute Beginner
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                                    @absolutebeginner

                                    Hi David,

                                    Yes the T&C's don't look to bad.. I have various quotes ranging from £850 + Vat , to a sensible £380 inc.

                                    Then theres the complication of specified times to collect and having someone to disconnect it.

                                    I can't collect it myself. anyway we will see, it might be bid up to silly silly money yet, and as David has pointed out with the 39% on the hammer price, might get expensive

                                    Gary

                                    #328781
                                    Absolute Beginner
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                                      @absolutebeginner

                                      Hi Dave,

                                      Yes I saw the M300 its abysmal isn't it. The Colchester looks relatively straight as I said……it all comes down to price , its just difficult to know where you stop. As I said before I have seen a couple of M300's for sale but they are expensive around 7K ish including VAT. + transport costs on top.

                                      What do you think I should pay for this colchester? I am just not sure! If its 5K inc vat is that good, I guess it would be better if it was £3K,

                                      We will have to wait and see.

                                      Gary

                                      #328782
                                      Alan Waddington 2
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                                        @alanwaddington2

                                        How strange, most of the stuff at that auction is actually stock from a machinery dealer in Hyde……thought it was strange that all the machines pictured were sat on rubber pads……maybe they have gone bust? Although not the impression given by the website.

                                        **LINK**

                                        #328783
                                        Absolute Beginner
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                                          @absolutebeginner

                                          Hi Alan,

                                          Yes you are correct, I thought exactly the same. They appear to have a lot of stuff. Perhaps they just need to move excessive stock?

                                          Gary

                                          #328784
                                          David Standing 1
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                                            @davidstanding1
                                            Posted by Alan Waddington 2 on 23/11/2017 23:19:38:

                                            How strange, most of the stuff at that auction is actually stock from a machinery dealer in Hyde……thought it was strange that all the machines pictured were sat on rubber pads……maybe they have gone bust? Although not the impression given by the website.

                                            **LINK**

                                            Alan

                                            I thought I recognised those rubber pads from somewhere!

                                            I just quickly pulled their accounts from Companies House, out of curiosity (my job was corporate insolvency in a previous life). I think they are having a necessary stock clearout, shall we say…………

                                            #328785
                                            Absolute Beginner
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                                              @absolutebeginner

                                              David,

                                              How necessary? Overstocked or No Cash

                                              Gary

                                              #328788
                                              Absolute Beginner
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                                                @absolutebeginner

                                                Hi David,

                                                Yes overstocked and little cash….I just took a look too

                                                Gary

                                                #328797
                                                Alan Waddington 2
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                                                  @alanwaddington2

                                                  Well Gary, guess that’s good news for you if you win, as it won’t need disconnecting, and they must have the facilities to lift it straight on to transport……….if you hired a tiltbed trailer with a winch, you could gently roll it off at home with no bother. Usually less than £100 to hire.

                                                  #328805
                                                  Brian H
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                                                    @brianh50089

                                                    Another possibility for moving machinery; some years ago I sold a 5 ton milling machine and left it to the buyer to sort out moving it.

                                                    He turned up with a skip truck, without the skip, and used the lifting arms with chains to lift the miller onto the platform at the back where the skip would normally sit. Took minutes to load and he was away!

                                                    Brian

                                                    #328825
                                                    David Standing 1
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                                                      @davidstanding1
                                                      Posted by Absolute Beginner on 24/11/2017 00:20:20:

                                                      Hi David,

                                                      Yes overstocked and little cash….I just took a look too

                                                      Gary

                                                      Gary

                                                      In a nutshell, yes.

                                                      The bank has a charge on them for a £50k loan too.

                                                      The company was dormant for many years, had a change of directors 18 months or so ago (It looks like it changed ownership from parents to children), and in the period since then have been on a buying spree for stock, and I reckon have overstretched themselves – probably the bank behind the selloff.

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