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      I already have a thread running on tangential tools but this post is about lathe tools generally. I have a Minilor TR-1 mini lathe/mill and after three years have collected lots of tool steel / lathe tools which would just about fit in a cornflakes box. But out of all that lot I do most of my work with just half a dozen tools.

      One of these bits is 1/4" square and I use it for turning and facing. But it is not like all the other ground and shiny tool steels, it looks brown and dull and un-ground. Appearances are deceptive though, a normal bit of bog standard HSS tool steel will produce quite a bright spark when sharpened but this stuff hardly produces a spark at all and tough? – it leaves HSS standing performance wise. What might this stuff be?

      Here's another one, years ago when I worked doing this sort of stuff for a living I did a stint in the machine shop of a brick making company. In many ways it was like travelling back in time given what I had been used to up till then. No jig borers here or temperature controlled environments, not a comparator or sine bar in sight. No sir! Precision here was often achieved with hammer, chisel and sledge hammer.

      But I digress. Back then the lathe tools that were popularly used (and maybe still are) had soft shanks with the business end only being hard and tough. I stand corrected but I seem to remember these were described as "brazed tip". Once the tip had been ground away the tool was useless. Its been a long time so maybe I'm wrong. (I don't care though – I don't have to punch a clock any more!!)

      In the workshop I had noticed that some of the machine cutting tools looked quite ancient, even as if they had been hand made by a blacksmith (maybe they had) but talking to Harry on the long bed lathe one day I asked him about these old tools. He told me "forget about all the other modern stuff, when I'm after the best finish on these shafts then its them I use."

      Do I remember the word "forged" being used to describe these old tools? If so I'd not be surprised if the technology behind them dates back to the industrial revolution. I don't know – but I bet someone does!

      ATB

      Stuart

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        Jeff Dayman
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          Hi Stuart,

          The brazed tip tools could be a number of extra hard materials brazed to a wrought iron or forged steel shank. The tips may have been stellite or possibly early carbides. I remember reading about Krupp steelworks in Germany offering a product called "Widia" in the early years of the 20th century ie around 1905-1910. It was a kind of tungsten carbide / iron composite as far as I know. Maybe your old works obtained some and were still using it it when you were there. I have heard that several kinds of carbides became available in the 1930's and stellite was becoming relatively cheap by then, as well as HSS as we know it.

          In my shop I use mostly HSS with no trouble on my old machines, I also have a half dozen "favourites" that seem to be used all the time. Also use the occasional carbide tipped tool if cutting chilled cast iron or something extra hard.

          JD

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            Thanks Jeff – I also use carbide tipped tools for cast iron. I buy cast iron weghing scale weights at car boot / yard sales and a bit of carbide is just what the doctor ordered for getting under their skin! I just about remember Stellite. We used to make "D" bits with it for really tough ole' problems!

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