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15 July 2015 at 18:41 #196861
Ron Hancock
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I did my back in after humping my friends Loco the weekend so decided i needed an hydraulic lift.

Looked in Machine mart £300 thought ouch.

Had a look on EBay found a new motorcycle Hydraulic lift 130 kg for £59

more my price.

So ordered came next day well impressed decided to weld two pieces of angle iron on the feet four caster wheels and now i can move loco's around makes loading easy so thought i would share in case it helps any one else the same.

Ron
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15 July 2015 at 18:41 #1423
Ron Hancock
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15 July 2015 at 18:42 #196862
Ron Hancock
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15 July 2015 at 18:42 #196863
Ron Hancock
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15 July 2015 at 19:43 #196865
Clive Foster
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The scissors on those devices is worryingly narrow when extended so stability when extended may not be of the best. I'd not risk moving the unit around on those castors unless it were fully retracted. I assume the rails are bolted to the top. Probably a good idea to have brakes on the castors along with anti roll off devices on the rails.

Personally I'd have jack up type castors and adjustable supports going right down to the ground under the rails so it could be settled firmly before moving the loco. Probably overkill but the damage if the loco does fall off at full extension is likely to be considerable. As is the time taken to repair it. When it comes to heavy objects and gravity I'm a seriously untrusting soul!

Clive
15 July 2015 at 20:27 #196869
Brian Wood
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Well said Clive, I had the same degree of unease about it, the overhang on the rails was something else that struck me.

Brian
15 July 2015 at 20:43 #196872
John Stevenson 1
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Sure you don't mean 1.30kg ?

It's the old adage, you only get what you pay for and interesting to note that you value the safety of your model which must have cost a fair bit in time and materials at less that £250
15 July 2015 at 22:47 #196885
DMB
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Not only the dangerous rail overhang but also WIDTH – whole contraption looks too tippy. Sod the damage to loco, I’m more concerned about damage to my legs if that goes over. Multiple breaks would mean permanent serious loss of mobility.
15 July 2015 at 23:19 #196887
Ron Hancock
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You might think it's not stable but it his built to Hold Motorbikes and is ce marked for 130 kg.

I would not dream of risking my Loco on it if i was at all unsure about how safe it was.

I was only going to use the Lift to work on the Loco till i saw how heavy it was made and how sturdy it was.

If you think how heavy a motorbike is and being a lot taller than a loco then you might understand how well it's made.

And yes the wheels do have brakes fitted and if anyone would like to see just how well it's made please your welcome to come and see if you near west Midlands.

The Model engineers who i know who also thought it would never be any good came and had a look one has already ordered one for himself.

Why do so many always think anything new is no good not that some one has a good idea obviously if these as i say lift a Motorcycle this high safely then a Loco that is lighter lower shorter get my drift.
16 July 2015 at 07:19 #196895
john kennedy 1
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Posted by Ron Hancock on 15/07/2015 18:41:39:

I did my back in after humping my friends Loco

What people get up to in their workshops is their business
16 July 2015 at 08:52 #196898
Howi
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Posted by john kennedy 1 on 16/07/2015 07:19:52:

Posted by Ron Hancock on 15/07/2015 18:41:39:

I did my back in after humping my friends Loco

What people get up to in their workshops is their business

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16 July 2015 at 09:23 #196899
Gas_mantle.
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I'm curious as to how you'd lift a full size motorcycle on it, irrespective of it's lifting capacity the top surface doesn't appear large enough ?
16 July 2015 at 09:36 #196900
Steven Vine
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Hi Ron

Nice idea. And if it works for you then it is correct, and bugger what anyone else says. That said I welcome negative comments as it makes me aware of things I may not have considered.

I'll throw in something about castors. I recently made a dolly with four castors to temporarily move a 163kg machine about. Like a fool I installed 4 castors rated at 50kg each, thinking that would give me 200kg for the dolly (and it did when all was static). The dolly worked well and I could push the machine around without problem. Disaster struck when I went over a small step in the floor. Two or three of the wheels lifted, putting up to 163kg on one castor. Needless to say the castor wheel broke and caused me all sorts of problems. I installed new castors rated at 200kg each and all's right in the world.

Steve
16 July 2015 at 09:48 #196901
Bazyle
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Nice find. Why do people immediately think a contributor is to thick not to understand about top heavy loads, overhang, wheel brakes etc?

I store my loco on a low level Dexion trolley with wooden top inside and transter to a lift beside the car to avoid having to find a neighbour to help me lift it. (sad so many of them now have bad backs). However the flat plate of the lift is very awkward access for dropping the grate and covering with dirt from a clean down.
So I recently got a folding workbench and have initially built it with the movable 'jaw' attached further out so it can be set to 5 in or 3 1/2 or 2 1/2 gap. After proof of concept this will now be replaced by bent metal angle iron rails (gentle corner compared to proper angle iron). This will be impervious to oil dirt ash from cleaning, easy access to undersides, folds away after use.

The Toolstation one is only £17 compared to some others at £29 (last one I got was only £10 – was it that long ago?) Side by side you can see the difference. 20mm sq legs instead of 25, 2 inches narrower, 1cm shorter, compressed paper top etc. However it is adequate for the temporarty job it does. I would not bother with the cheap one as a workbench. The expensive one is fine as a permanent loco store if you have a lift to get it up there.

edit: obviously talking about Simplex sized loco here, not a pacific.

Edited By Bazyle on 16/07/2015 09:50:47
16 July 2015 at 09:52 #196902
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Posted by Peter Nichols on 16/07/2015 09:23:06:

I'm curious as to how you'd lift a full size motorcycle on it, irrespective of it's lifting capacity the top surface doesn't appear large enough ?

It's designed to to lift on the flat lower frame rail area of trials/motocross types that are very light and don't have stuff like centre stands in the way, but you should strap it as well to make it secure. The vast majority of road type bikes easily exceed it's 130kg capacity.

Edited By Mick Berrisford on 16/07/2015 09:53:17
16 July 2015 at 11:27 #196910
Gas_mantle.
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Posted by Mick Berrisford on 16/07/2015 09:52:50:

Posted by Peter Nichols on 16/07/2015 09:23:06:

I'm curious as to how you'd lift a full size motorcycle on it, irrespective of it's lifting capacity the top surface doesn't appear large enough ?

It's designed to to lift on the flat lower frame rail area of trials/motocross types that are very light and don't have stuff like centre stands in the way, but you should strap it as well to make it secure. The vast majority of road type bikes easily exceed it's 130kg capacity.

Edited By Mick Berrisford on 16/07/2015 09:53:17

Thanks, I was just curious as to how you'd fix a bike down to it and get the stability.
17 July 2015 at 17:34 #197043
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17 July 2015 at 17:38 #197045
Ron Hancock
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Posted by Ron Hancock on 17/07/2015 17:34:20:

Well finished the lift only got larger casters to fit when they come.

Feels great moving Loco round workshop and being able to work at right height.

For me it's ideal easy to get through to Ash pan and to lubricate underneath.
17 July 2015 at 17:39 #197046
Ron Hancock
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Forgot to add yes it is Bolted to the top so very safe
17 July 2015 at 20:24 #197071
Nick_G
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Posted by Peter Nichols on 16/07/2015 09:23:06:

The vast majority of road type bikes easily exceed it's 130kg capacity.

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I think even a Honda CG 125 is getting close to that limit.!

I would not be over confident on putting anything more than a kids mini 50cc pit bike or quad on it. Even then I would be careful of the balance point.

I see though you are aware of this and increased the foot print by extending the out riggers.

Regards, Nick
17 July 2015 at 20:30 #197073
Michael Gilligan
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Posted by Nick_G on 17/07/2015 20:24:05:

Posted by Peter Nichols on 16/07/2015 09:23:06:

The vast majority of road type bikes easily exceed it's 130kg capacity.

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I think even a Honda CG 125 is getting close to that limit.!

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… But a decent modern Trials bike is about 70kg

MichaelG.
17 July 2015 at 21:42 #197080
Ron Hancock
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Yes cg was about 115 kg but the Lift is the same used but with a bigger Jack and they take 300 kg but as i say same lift same construction.

Plus they are very stable a bike is far taller so would make it far more unstable and would not be given a ce stamp.

So a 15" Black 5 will be no problem at all in fact with mine you don't notice any difference at all.

I have since seen one with a 71/4 tank engine with lead round the Barrel then the lagging and he says his is still very stable even on full lift !!!
18 July 2015 at 08:36 #197103
Brian lightfoot
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I had a ktm 450 enduro bike on mine no problem. I would have no worries about a loco as long as it was strapped down and central.

Brian l
18 July 2015 at 13:32 #197158
Ian S C
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I would perhaps make the new angle iron base a bit wider, and only use casters at one end, and fixed wheels at the other.

Ian S C
18 July 2015 at 20:29 #197201
Ron Hancock
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The Black 5 just sits nicely in the Centre i am going to make a bracket that will fix to front Buffers that will fix it to keep safe.

I had thought of fitting wider legs to the Bottom but found it surprisingly stable so left it like it is if i have any doubts i can at a later date put two cross pieces and fit wheels to it.
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